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Old 07-11-2012, 11:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

There's no good way to do this..

1. GWU
2. Richmond
3. Fordham
4. SLU
5. Dayton
6. UMASS
7. Temple
8. Duquesne
9. Xavier
10. Butler
11. URI
12. Charlotte
13. St. Joe's
14. VCU
15. St. Bonaventure
16. La Salle
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:11 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

Here's my ranking:

1. Butler
1. Charlotte
1. Dayton
1. Duquesne
1. Fordham
1. George Washington
1. La Salle
1. Massachusetts
1. Rhode Island
1. Richmond
1. St. Bonaventure
1. Saint Louis
1. Saint Joseph's
1. Temple
1. VCU
1. Xavier

Every school excels in there own way and your education will go as far as you take it.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:45 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

It is hard to rank say a school like VCU, which has numerous world class programs on one side, but ends up with no so strong SAT scores, or admission numbers as their mission is so much different than say Richmond's. I think one can get a stellar education at any of the schools in this league, but one can also skate along without doing as much work at some of the larger schools and just blend in and get lost in the numbers. That might not work as easily at some of the smaller schools. But conversely the larger schools are going to have opportunities that I could only dream of at a smaller school like UR. In an athletic conference such as the A10, this seems a somewhat useless arguement, as our schools are so diverse. One could argue and rank schools in say the Patriot much more easily as they are all much more similar to each other.
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:13 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

All I can say is that I am posting from the beach, had to take a break from the sun and the fun.

The poster who started this and put LaSalle last obviously has never visited our campus or seen our NCAA championship trophy which is one more then your school will ever have.

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Here's my ranking:

1. Butler
1. Charlotte
1. Dayton
1. Duquesne
1. Fordham
1. George Washington
1. La Salle
1. Massachusetts
1. Rhode Island
1. Richmond
1. St. Bonaventure
1. Saint Louis
1. Saint Joseph's
1. Temple
1. VCU
1. Xavier

Every school excels in there own way and your education will go as far as you take it.
Silly thread. But this is a good post!
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Each school in this conference is very respectable and I'm proud to be associated with them all.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:16 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Actually in many cases you can. Compare average salaries of Harvard grads to UMass. It's not always directly proportional but often times, like in life, you get what you pay for.
I suppose if you base everything in life on salary, sure.

Harvard grads tend to migrate toward big cities. NYC, Boston, LA, Chicago, etc. You will almost always make more money in NYC than in Dayton, Ohio. But I don't need NYC money to live well. I can live well on $50k, and like a king if my future and as of yet hypothetical wife has a good job. Which she will, I'm no sap.

I applied to NYU. I got in, and was eligible for enough financial aid to make it work. I didn't go, because I had/have zero interest in working on Wall Street or Madison Avenue, nor do I really want to work for a Fortune 100-500 company (learned my lesson with AT&T). I genuinely want to stay in SW Ohio, in a small to medium business atmosphere. If I come back a Stern School grad my degree would have been nice, but grads of Wright St, Dayton, Miami, X, or Cincy would have had so many more options and connections. It happened to a friend of mine who went to Georgia Tech. That's a great engineering school. He wanted to stay here after graduation, but couldn't get a job he wanted because UD grads were so connected with local aerospace companies. Had to move to Warner Robbins, GA. Hates it there. He'd have been better off at UD.

Another friend of mine chose a community college tool and die program over going to Miami University. Makes good money and loves his career. His ROI is off the chart.

ROI is a lot more than expected salary. You get what you pay for with steak dinners. The choice of higher education is more individual fit than anything.
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I suppose if you base everything in life on salary, sure.

Harvard grads tend to migrate toward big cities. NYC, Boston, LA, Chicago, etc. You will almost always make more money in NYC than in Dayton, Ohio. But I don't need NYC money to live well. I can live well on $50k, and like a king if my future and as of yet hypothetical wife has a good job. Which she will, I'm no sap.

I applied to NYU. I got in, and was eligible for enough financial aid to make it work. I didn't go, because I had/have zero interest in working on Wall Street or Madison Avenue, nor do I really want to work for a Fortune 100-500 company (learned my lesson with AT&T). I genuinely want to stay in SW Ohio, in a small to medium business atmosphere. If I come back a Stern School grad my degree would have been nice, but grads of Wright St, Dayton, Miami, X, or Cincy would have had so many more options and connections. It happened to a friend of mine who went to Georgia Tech. That's a great engineering school. He wanted to stay here after graduation, but couldn't get a job he wanted because UD grads were so connected with local aerospace companies. Had to move to Warner Robbins, GA. Hates it there. He'd have been better off at UD.

Another friend of mine chose a community college tool and die program over going to Miami University. Makes good money and loves his career. His ROI is off the chart.

ROI is a lot more than expected salary. You get what you pay for with steak dinners. The choice of higher education is more individual fit than anything.
This is all true but there are specific criteria for what makes a University better than another. Research, endowment, present and former faculty just to name a few. There are certainly thousands of success stories at every school but somebody from a better school certainly has a major advantage when it comes to employment. The aerospace example is interesting, because even though a school might not be highly ranked across the board, many do have specific branches that are some of the best in the country. Indiana's business school being an example.
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VCU is ranked by the US News and World Report, neither Butler, Richmond, or Xavier are ranked nationally. However, all three of them rank rather highly regionally. This may just be because they are not considered to be "National Universities" or because they are not as good academically. I think its important to note that each university will have a specialty such as SLU with business, health care law, medical, and aviation yet our other programs are also decent enough to make us an all around solid school. Some of these universities have very strong schools or departments but seem to be bellow par in others that may drag them down on the rankings. I attend Saint Louis University for it's business school, not for it's lack of a music school so I think rankings are very bias depending on the person.
You probably should take a break from this thread.

As JHG already pointed out, Richmond is one of the top liberal arts schools in the nation. The "national" designation does not imply academic superiority as compared to the other categories. If we're talking about academic excellence, then Xavier, Richmond and Butler are going to be highly ranked in this particular list.
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I can assure all of the posters that Fordham is an institution of exceptional scholasticism. During my time there, I was consistently on the Dean's list. Unfortunately, it was the s*it list.
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Dumb thread but it's here so I'll comment. VCU is not even close to the top half of the conference academically.
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I agree that paying full freight at most private colleges can seem to be both daunting, and conceivably a waste of money. Of course you are getting a much more personal education for that money. Deans who know you, professors that notice when you are not in class, and the knowledge that you are never just a number. Also at a school like Richmond the endowment of close to $2B allows the school to give out so much financial aid that a majority of students are not paying anywhere near close to full price. 66% of all students are on some form of financial aid, scholarship / grant, with the average aid being $33,000 a year. Richmond does not want students to leave UR with much more than $20,000 in debt.
You'd be surprised how much personal attention you get at a 37K student university like Temple. I know absolutely everyone; professors, deans, coaches, AD, etc.
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If I come back a Stern School grad my degree would have been nice, but grads of Wright St, Dayton, Miami, X, or Cincy would have had so many more options and connections.
That doesn't reflect well on SW Ohio, especially the WSU part. Stern is one of the absolute best of the best. Shouldn't matter whether you're in NYC, Ohio or Alabama, anywhere worth a damn should know what a top school Stern is.
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

Rankings only make sense when looking at things on a more granular level. Ranking specific programs, research capacity, undergraduate program quality, etc. Looking at the aggregate rankings punishes schools greatly for being an undergraduate oriented public school, for example. And with a group of schools as diverse as the A-10, it gets pointless real fast.
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You'd be surprised how much personal attention you get at a 37K student university like Temple. I know absolutely everyone; professors, deans, coaches, AD, etc.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but that runs contrary to just about everything I've been told from anyone that went to a large, public university.

Although, I do think it has more to do with how the student takes advantage of their resources. At smaller, private schools like Dayton, Xavier etc it's impossible to get "lost in the shuffle" when you have class sizes of 20-25 kids. You're going to have daily discussions and personal relationships with professors. Sure, you can probably get that at larger, public schools too if the student had that desire and initiative but I'd guess it's much harder in a classroom of 200-250 kids compared to 25.
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