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LastMinuteman · 07-13-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mm4cc

Here are the rankings from US News and World Report:
National Universities
George Washington 50
Fordam 53
St. Louis 90
Dayton 101
Duquesne 119
Temple 132
URI 160
VCU 170
Charlotte 194

UMass unranked

UMass is 94th in that ranking.

Nugget49er · 07-13-2012, 08:42 AM

For good or bad, Charlotte's Chancellor has decided that we will not participate in these rankings. I don't know if it is the effort it takes to compile everything, the lack of credibility (every year the ranks are different but schools really do not change much in one year), or hurt feelings because we were not #1, but that is the school's position. The rankers of course do not skip us, they just grab what info they can from public sources and run with that. I think we might be better served to participate, but I don't know enough to argue with the decision. At the end of the day people look at these rankings and make decisions whether they mean much or not.

ace93 · 07-13-2012, 09:16 AM

Interesting note on La Salle and their ranking. A bit related to what Nugget49er is saying.
http://www.usnews.com/education/blog...anking-updates

vaNtR · 07-13-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but that runs contrary to just about everything I've been told from anyone that went to a large, public university.

Although, I do think it has more to do with how the student takes advantage of their resources. At smaller, private schools like Dayton, Xavier etc it's impossible to get "lost in the shuffle" when you have class sizes of 20-25 kids. You're going to have daily discussions and personal relationships with professors. Sure, you can probably get that at larger, public schools too if the student had that desire and initiative but I'd guess it's much harder in a classroom of 200-250 kids compared to 25.

I had a class with 600 kids in it my freshman year at Temple. True story.

mm4cc · 07-13-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LastMinuteman

UMass is 94th in that ranking.

sorry, i'll update the original post. Must have missed them when going through the rankings.

Steve81 · 07-13-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mm4cc

Here are the rankings from US News and World Report:

National Liberal Arts Colleges
Richmond 27

National Universities
George Washington 50
Fordam 53
St. Louis 90
UMass 94
Dayton 101
Duquesne 119
Temple 132
URI 160
VCU 170
Charlotte 194

Regional Institutions
Butler 2 Midwest
Xavier 4 Midwest
St. Joes 8 North
St. Bonneventure 32 North
LaSalle 41 North

It is tough to compare regional institutions, national universities and liberal arts colleges. Different types of places are better for different types of people. If we are talking about academics I think Richmond probably comes out on top though. Larger schools tend to not focus on teaching as much as smaller schools.

Businessweek's Undergraduate Business School Rankings:
Richmond 15
Butler 48
UMass 64 <-- and left it out here as well mm4cc
Xavier 83
St. Louis 100

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...mplete-ranking

Ranked 64 of 124 Overall

Massachusetts - Amherst (Isenberg)

mm4cc · 07-13-2012, 10:11 PM

@Steve81 I am sorry about not being clear on this front, but the reason I only listed Richmond, Xavier and Butler's business schools was because the fan from St. Louis mentioned he went to St. Louis for their business school and specifically stated that Richmond Xavier and Butler were worse than St. Louis (and many other schools) for whatever reason. I was trying to point out to him that if he wanted to go to a good business school he made a poor choice, and the schools he discounted before were better than St. Louis in this aspect. I am sorry if this post offends as I am drunk.

Steve81 · 07-14-2012, 08:42 AM

We are nationally ranked in many areas and we are always ranked in the Top 7 in the country for Hospitality programs, current #6.
http://www.thebestschools.org/blog/2...united-states/

JHG722 · 07-14-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve81

We are nationally ranked in many areas and we are always ranked in the Top 7 in the country for Hospitality programs, current #6.
http://www.thebestschools.org/blog/2...united-states/

Any ranking without Temple's School of Tourism and Hospitality Management on it is worthless. Drexel?

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Originally Posted by vaNtR

I had a class with 600 kids in it my freshman year at Temple. True story.

Largest class at Temple, I believe, is intro to accounting, which is 400-450 students. I still knew my professor very well and he knew when people missed class.

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but that runs contrary to just about everything I've been told from anyone that went to a large, public university.

Although, I do think it has more to do with how the student takes advantage of their resources. At smaller, private schools like Dayton, Xavier etc it's impossible to get "lost in the shuffle" when you have class sizes of 20-25 kids. You're going to have daily discussions and personal relationships with professors. Sure, you can probably get that at larger, public schools too if the student had that desire and initiative but I'd guess it's much harder in a classroom of 200-250 kids compared to 25.

Not being sarcastic in the slightest. I've had a great relationship with my professors at Temple. We have plenty of daily discussions and interactions. The classes in my major are usually around 40 students. Accounting was one of the few very large classes I've taken. Most of my classes are between 20-50 students. I've had two summer classes with 10-15 students in them.

vaNtR · 07-14-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JHG722

Largest class at Temple, I believe, is intro to accounting, which is 400-450 students. I still knew my professor very well and he knew when people missed class.

The class was Law in Society. It was an unusual predicament because they intended to offer multiple sections -- albeit unsuccessfully. They eventually settled on one enormous class. I remember people having to sit on the floor to accommodate everyone. My intro to accounting class didn't have nearly 400-450 students. There was around 200 (thankfully). Though I'm sure there's some variance in class size semester to semester. My anatomy class had around 400 students in it as well.

I think with larger class sizes, you definitely need to make an effort to get to know the professor, but it was much easier to meet a lot of classmates and make friends. Larger classes have their pros and cons.

JHG722 · 07-14-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vaNtR

The class was Law in Society. It was an unusual predicament because they intended to offer multiple sections -- albeit unsuccessfully. They eventually settled on one enormous class. I remember people having to sit on the floor to accommodate everyone. My intro to accounting class didn't have nearly 400-450 students. There was around 200 (thankfully). Though I'm sure there's some variance in class size semester to semester. My anatomy class had around 400 students in it as well.

I think with larger class sizes, you definitely need to make an effort to get to know the professor, but it was much easier to meet a lot of classmates and make friends. Larger classes have their pros and cons.

I think it depends what semester it is for most classes. For accounting, the chair wants to teach as many classes as possible and Temple has a lot of accounting classes at random times like once a week at 6 PM or twice a week at 8 AM. For students who aren't working, no one wants to willingly take accounting at 8 AM or 6-9:30 at night or whatever it is.

I've heard of Law in Society, but I dont have to take that. Is that an elective or a Fox req? I'm taking Sports Law this semester.

vaNtR · 07-14-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JHG722

I think it depends what semester it is for most classes. For accounting, the chair wants to teach as many classes as possible and Temple has a lot of accounting classes at random times like once a week at 6 PM or twice a week at 8 AM. For students who aren't working, no one wants to willingly take accounting at 8 AM or 6-9:30 at night or whatever it is.

I've heard of Law in Society, but I dont have to take that. Is that an elective or a Fox req? I'm taking Sports Law this semester.

Law in Society was a Fox req, but I believe they changed the name as well as many of the other pre-reqs entirely. Good luck with Sports Law, I'm sure that will be a really fun and interesting class.

JHG722 · 07-14-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vaNtR

Law in Society was a Fox req, but I believe they changed the name as well as many of the other pre-reqs entirely. Good luck with Sports Law, I'm sure that will be a really fun and interesting class.

Thanks. It should be a great class. It's taught by the same professor who taught my college athletics administration class.

Bill Russell · 07-15-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JHG722

Thanks. It should be a great class. It's taught by the same professor who taught my college athletics administration class.

You have been exposed so definitively in this thread. It's so easy to look up your schools' (notice the punctuation) Wikipedia info, etc. to make yourself feel okay. First it was Boston U. That was your identity. Now your identity is Temple. Now you can relate to so many more "natives". It's easy now. If Temple ever stinks, you always have that BU card. If the latter ever falls into fart city, you can always pull your Big East card. You can't miss. Hockey... basketball... it all fits.

JHG722 · 07-15-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Russell

You have been exposed so definitively in this thread. It's so easy to look up your schools' (notice the punctuation) Wikipedia info, etc. to make yourself feel okay. First it was Boston U. That was your identity. Now your identity is Temple. Now you can relate to so many more "natives". It's easy now. If Temple ever stinks, you always have that BU card. If the latter ever falls into fart city, you can always pull your Big East card. You can't miss. Hockey... basketball... it all fits.

What in the world are you talking about? I transferred to Temple from BU after my freshman year...

Seriously, what are you talking about? Identity? Natives? BU and Temple have nothing to do with each other. BU doesn't have football. Temple doesn't have hockey. BU basketball is not very good. What?

07-13-2012, 08:42 AM	#47 (permalink)
Nugget49er Rookie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Charlotte Posts: 55 Rep Power: 6	Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically For good or bad, Charlotte's Chancellor has decided that we will not participate in these rankings. I don't know if it is the effort it takes to compile everything, the lack of credibility (every year the ranks are different but schools really do not change much in one year), or hurt feelings because we were not #1, but that is the school's position. The rankers of course do not skip us, they just grab what info they can from public sources and run with that. I think we might be better served to participate, but I don't know enough to argue with the decision. At the end of the day people look at these rankings and make decisions whether they mean much or not.

07-13-2012, 09:16 AM	#48 (permalink)
ace93 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 80754	Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically Interesting note on La Salle and their ranking. A bit related to what Nugget49er is saying. http://www.usnews.com/education/blog...anking-updates

07-13-2012, 10:11 PM	#52 (permalink)
mm4cc Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 148 Rep Power: 26	Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically @Steve81 I am sorry about not being clear on this front, but the reason I only listed Richmond, Xavier and Butler's business schools was because the fan from St. Louis mentioned he went to St. Louis for their business school and specifically stated that Richmond Xavier and Butler were worse than St. Louis (and many other schools) for whatever reason. I was trying to point out to him that if he wanted to go to a good business school he made a poor choice, and the schools he discounted before were better than St. Louis in this aspect. I am sorry if this post offends as I am drunk.

07-14-2012, 08:42 AM	#53 (permalink)
Steve81 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Quabbin region Posts: 1,727 Rep Power: 4198	Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically We are nationally ranked in many areas and we are always ranked in the Top 7 in the country for Hospitality programs, current #6. http://www.thebestschools.org/blog/2...united-states/ __________________ Collection of Sports links

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