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Old 07-10-2012, 08:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ranking A10 Schools Academically

I know this will start a war but it's July so what the hell. Criteria based on rankings, graduates, endowment etc....

1- GW
2- Richmond
3- Fordham.
4- Xavier
5- Duquesne
6- St. Josephs
7- Saint Louis
8-VCU
9-Butler
10- Temple
11- UMass
12- St.Bona
13- URI
14-Charlotte
15-Dayton
16-LaSalle
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

Yep, this will stir it up. The large state-supported schools have a very different mission than small private colleges so comparing them really does not mean much. I imagine the best students at Temple, UMass, and Charlotte are just as smart as the best students at any other schools. We just take those students plus 15,000 others that the private schools don't. Thank goodness, because I was in the "others" group. How about we measure academic ROI? I think you get more education per dollar at Charlotte than any school in the conference. For all you people still paying off your student loans how about going to a school where tuition and fees is under $6000/year? Now that is smart.
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

Here we go...

1) GW
2) Fordham (Last in Basketball though)
3) Saint Louis
4) Dayton
5) Duquesne
6) Temple
7) VCU
8) Butler
9) Richmond
10) UMass
11) St. Josephs
12) Xavier
13) St. Bonne
14) Rhode Island
15) Charlotte
16) LaSalle

*Some of the bottom Universities are pretty random but Saint Louis is NOT #7, we are easily #3 and climbing in the past few years.
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Anyone who puts St. Joe's over Temple knows absolutely zero about the subject. Private=/=better. Trust me on that.
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Here we go...

1) GW
2) Fordham (Last in Basketball though)
3) Saint Louis
4) Dayton
5) Duquesne
6) Temple
7) VCU
8) Butler
9) Richmond
10) UMass
11) St. Josephs
12) Xavier
13) St. Bonne
14) Rhode Island
15) Charlotte
16) LaSalle

*Some of the bottom Universities are pretty random but Saint Louis is NOT #7, we are easily #3 and climbing in the past few years.
Butler, Richmond and Xavier are much, much better schools than VCU.
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Butler, Richmond and Xavier are much, much better schools than VCU.
VCU is ranked by the US News and World Report, neither Butler, Richmond, or Xavier are ranked nationally. However, all three of them rank rather highly regionally. This may just be because they are not considered to be "National Universities" or because they are not as good academically. I think its important to note that each university will have a specialty such as SLU with business, health care law, medical, and aviation yet our other programs are also decent enough to make us an all around solid school. Some of these universities have very strong schools or departments but seem to be bellow par in others that may drag them down on the rankings. I attend Saint Louis University for it's business school, not for it's lack of a music school so I think rankings are very bias depending on the person.
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This may just be because they are not considered to be "National Universities" or because they are not as good academically.
You cannot be serious. UR is one of the top Liberal Arts Colleges in the country.
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

Here are the rankings from US News and World Report:

National Liberal Arts Colleges
Richmond 27

National Universities
George Washington 50
Fordam 53
St. Louis 90
UMass 94
Dayton 101
Duquesne 119
Temple 132
URI 160
VCU 170
Charlotte 194

Regional Institutions
Butler 2 Midwest
Xavier 4 Midwest
St. Joes 8 North
St. Bonneventure 32 North
LaSalle 41 North

It is tough to compare regional institutions, national universities and liberal arts colleges. Different types of places are better for different types of people. If we are talking about academics I think Richmond probably comes out on top though. Larger schools tend to not focus on teaching as much as smaller schools.


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VCU is ranked by the US News and World Report, neither Butler, Richmond, or Xavier are ranked nationally. However, all three of them rank rather highly regionally. This may just be because they are not considered to be "National Universities" or because they are not as good academically. I think its important to note that each university will have a specialty such as SLU with business, health care law, medical, and aviation yet our other programs are also decent enough to make us an all around solid school. Some of these universities have very strong schools or departments but seem to be bellow par in others that may drag them down on the rankings. I attend Saint Louis University for it's business school, not for it's lack of a music school so I think rankings are very bias depending on the person.
Businessweek's Undergraduate Business School Rankings:
Richmond 15
Butler 48
Xavier 83
St. Louis 100

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...mplete-ranking

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You cannot be serious. UR is one of the top Liberal Arts Colleges in the country.
I will give you that one, I missed University of Rhode Island (not college, my fault google suggested it)... I would replace them around #7.
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Richmond and GW are the top 2 and it's not even debatable. I dont think you can really argue Fordham at 3. There's a reason FU is in the Patriot League for football. Richmond is also very similar to the PL schools like Lehigh Lafayette and Colgate.

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I will give you that one, I missed University of Rhode Island (not college, my fault google suggested it)... I would replace them around #7.

7th is insane. I really question how much you know about academia. UR is on par with Davidson, Wake Forest, Lehigh, William & Mary etc.
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7th is insane. I really question how much you know about academia. UR is on par with Davidson, Wake Forest, Lehigh, William & Mary etc.
He knows nothing, which is why he has UR 7th.

Honestly, the entire thing is pretty pointless. GW is a great school and I have many friends there or graduated from there (including my best friend who transferred from Temple), but for $60K/yr, I think Temple is a significantly better value at less than half the price/yr in state, especially if you get into the Temple Honors College (in which case, you're probably getting at least a few thousand a year in scholarships). If you're not wealthy or on scholarship, I think private universities are not worth the money.
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Re: Ranking A10 Schools Academically

here is the real list

1) UMass
16) GW
16) Fordham
16) Saint Louis
16) Dayton
16) Duquesne
16) Temple
16) VCU
16) Butler
16) Richmond
16) St. Josephs
16) Xavier
16) St. Bonne
16) Rhode Island
16) Charlotte
16) LaSalle

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It is tough to compare regional institutions, national universities and liberal arts colleges. Different types of places are better for different types of people.
Yeah, this is a pretty pointless thread.

I do like Twister's list though. Clearly, UMass has been pumping out some high quality grads.
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