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drkelsey55 · 08-10-2012, 06:37 PM

Dayton #92

Muddy Waters · 08-11-2012, 05:04 AM

Joel Welser didn't do his homework on this preview:

# 92 Dayton Flyers (Joel Welser, College Sports Madness - August 8, 2012)

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Final Projection:

If Vee Sanford can emerge as a consistent shooter and a decent all-around scorer, Dayton could be the surprise team in the Atlantic 10.

Projected Postseason Tournament: CBI/CIT

Madness 2012 Men’s Basketball Recruit Rankings:

# 117 - Jevon Thomas

UD Transfer Players Ready to Make an Impact (Doug Harris, DDN - June 25, 2012)

Sanford, Derenbecker hungry for chance to prove themselves.

UD Dillard’s Play Catches Eye of NBA Scouts (Doug Harris, DDN - July 15, 2012)

Length, quickness of UD point guard leads to favorable impression.

Dillard Eyes Better Season in 2012-13 (Doug Harris, DDN - July 23, 2012)

UD Season Ticket Holders Not Discouraged By Cost (Doug Harris, DDN - August 8, 2012)

Looking Good:

The UD basketball team has concluded its summer practices, and Miller believes many players took a big jump forward.

The NCAA allowed coaches for the first time to work with their teams in the offseason as long as school was in session, giving them two hours per week for eight weeks.

"One of the things that was really impressive was the way Kevin Dillard approached his offseason. I don’t think I’ve had a more determined, committed kid who’s a very good player try to become even better like that," Miller said.

"I thought Vee Sanford had a tremendous summer — not only in the weight room but also shooting the ball. I really, really am impressed with Matt Kavanaugh and Alex Gavrilovic’s commitment level. Both of those guys are much improved players, much improved physically."

Devin Oliver, a reluctant offensive player in the past, earned points with Miller for his improved shooting. The 6-foot-7 junior wing also beefed up about 20 pounds to 228.

"I think this year, hopefully, he’s a guy out there who will have a different coverage (from opponents) because you have to guard him a little more,” Miller said. “That will really open up things for our team."

Benson Update:

Miller said senior forward Josh Benson is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a torn knee ligament, which caused him to miss the second half of last season.

He was the Flyers’ most athletic inside player and was sorely missed during the A-10 season.

"I worked him out one of the last days he was on campus (for summer school), and I was very, very impressed,” Miller said. “His quickness level, his explosiveness, his size – he put some weight on up top, which is good – gave me a lot of confidence that he’s going to be effective."

Archie on Dillard, Oliver, Freshmen (Doug Harris, DDN - August 9, 2012)

. . . but at least Welser got this much right:

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Projected Starting Five:

Kevin Dillard, Senior, Guard, 13.3 points per game

Vee Sanford, Junior, Guard, DNP last season

Matt Derenbecker, Sophomore, Forward, DNP last season

Josh Benson, Senior, Forward, 10.9 points per game

Matt Kavanaugh, Senior, Center, 9.0 points per game

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on May 17, 2012; Updated on July 28, 2012

Probable Depth Chart* (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Matt Kavanaugh, Alex Gavrilovic, Josh Benson, and Devon Scott.

PF: Josh Benson, Devin Oliver, Devon Scott, Jalen Robinson, and Alex Gavrilovic.

SF: Matt Derenbecker, Jalen Robinson, Devin Oliver, and Dyshawn Pierre.

SG: Vee Sanford, Dyshawn Pierre, and Matt Derenbecker.

PG: Kevin Dillard, Khari Price, and Vee Sanford.

* Reserve roles will likely vary, depending on heights and strengths of opponents' players at each position.

The Dayton Flyers released their Official 2012-13 Roster this afternoon, which is the 'beefiest' roster ever assembled by the Flyers.

Notice in Particular:

Matt Derenbecker: up 30 lbs. (from 185 to 215)

Devin Oliver: up 25 lbs. (from 200 to 225)

Jalen Robinson: up 23 lbs. (from 220 to 243)

Alex Gavrilovic: up 16 lbs. (from 230 to 246)

Vee Sanford: up 16 lbs. (from 180 to 196)

Kevin Dillard: up 12 lbs. (from 170 to 182)

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster - Updated July 28, 2012

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    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Matt Kavanaugh    Senior      C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Centerville, OH
 2. Alex Gavrilovic   Sophomore   C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  Strasbourg, France

 3. Josh Benson       RS Senior  PF    6'-9"   228 lbs.  Dayton, OH
 4. Devon Scott       Freshman   PF    6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 5. Jalen Robinson    Freshman   CF    6'-9"   243 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 6. Devin Oliver      Junior     CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 7. Matt Derenbecker  RS Soph. SF/SG   6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 8. Dyshawn Pierre    Fresh.   SF/SG   6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 

 9. Jordan Sibert     RS Soph.   SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)
10. Vee Sanford       RS Junior  CG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

11. Kevin Dillard     RS Senior  PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  Homewood, IL 
12. Khari Price       Freshman   PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for HS Class of 2012 players or transfers = 1.

Dayton Flyers Roster Sorted By Graduating Class - Updated July 28, 2012

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Seniors - UD Class of 2013

1. Josh Benson       PF    6'-9"   228 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 10.9 points and 5.2 rebounds)*
2. Matt Kavanaugh     C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  9.0 points and 5.9 rebounds)
3. Kevin Dillard     PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 13.3 points and 6.0 assists)
 * Josh Benson missed all 16 A10 games, the A10 Tournament, and the NIT due to a knee injury.    

Juniors - UD Class of 2014

1. Devin Oliver      CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  4.9 points and 5.0 rebounds)
2. Vee Sanford       CG    6'-3"   196 lbs.  (2011-12: sat out transfer year)

Sophomores - UD Class of 2015

1. Alex Gavrilovic    C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  4.0 points and 2.8 rebounds)
2. Matt Derenbecker SF/SG  6'-7"   215 lbs.  (2011-12: sat out transfer year)
3. Jordan Sibert     SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  3.0 points and 1.4 rebounds) 
 
Freshmen - UD Class of 2016

1. Devon Scott       PF    6'-9"   215 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 18 points and 12 rebounds)   
2. Jalen Robinson    CF    6'-9"   243 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 19 points and 11 rebounds)
3. Dyshawn Pierre  SF/SG   6'-6"   210 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged ?? points and ?? rebounds)
4. Khari Price       PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 18 points and 5.6 assists)

Dayton Flyers 2011-12 Sortable Stats (Yahoo!)

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Originally Posted by Flyer75 - Post # 1

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/...p-144-previews

Well, its started. Discuss away.

Joel Welser's Rankings to Date:

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                  Overall    Rank
Team                Rank    in A10
                 
Dayton               92        9
St. Bonaventure     112       10
George Washington   137       11

Steve81 · 08-11-2012, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DistrictBaller

It's a crap shoot. No one really knows what's going to happen until it happens.

Let's leave the crowning of post-season accomplishments in the preseason to the Dayton and UMass fans that seem to have a penchant for it.

As a former CAA member, it's kind of ridiculous to think that 9 A-10 teams will be ranked in front of the #3 CAA team in this ranking. No matter how good I think VCU can be, it is undeniable that the A-10 (at least this year) is a huge step up from the CAA and we'll have to earn everything we get.

DB we have some new vocal fans, but most of us are cautiously optimistic. It has been tampered with residue and new injury list. Cady, a truly gifted big man with a bad ankle issue. Had is second operation and if it does not work out his career could be over. Sampson Carter had surgery on his hip and still not 100% and playing with pain. Jesse Morgan landed and broke his wrist in practice. Javon Farrell just had an ankle operation. Of course this is an opportunity for other players.

So happy the presession polls are just background noise. Football season starts shortly with tail gating, the marching band, talking with friends and watching football.

DistrictBaller · 08-11-2012, 10:52 AM

Steve, I didn't mean all UMass and Dayton fans, just the vocal ones who like to make preseason pronouncements of A-10 dominance.

Sorry to hear about all the injuries and hope you enjoy your football season.

waldo027 · 08-11-2012, 12:44 PM

I followed this list last summer to see where SLU would appear, and when he got into the 20s and SLU wasn't there, I emailed him and he said SLU was not in his top 144 for 2011-12. Keep in mind the 144th best team in D-1 college basketball is awful and would finish in the bottom 4 of the A-10 most years. When SLU won only 12 games the previous season, they were still one of the top 144 of all D-1 teams. So take these rankings with a grain of salt.

waggy · 08-11-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by waldo027

Keep in mind the 144th best team in D-1 college basketball is awful and would finish in the bottom 4 of the A-10 most years. When SLU won only 12 games the previous season, they were still one of the top 144 of all D-1 teams. So take these rankings with a grain of salt.

We've had posters here who know the league well miss bad on teams. Happens nearly every year, and we're dealing with just 14 teams. No way anyone does a "top 144" and doesn't miss some. And granted missing SLU was pretty bad. I just like that someone besides ESPN out there gives us something passable to read.

But on your other point I did take a peek at Pomeroys rankings for that year and man was the A10 crappy. .... Dayton 100, Rhode Island 120, Saint Louis 122, St. Bonaventure 152, George Washington 162, La Salle 172, St. Josephs 183, Massachusetts 195, Charlotte 213, and Fordham 292. The A10 jumped big time last year with only 5 or 6 ranked over 100 versus the 10 the year prior.

College Hoops · 08-12-2012, 09:06 AM

Personally, I think its premature to publish these predictions until practice has started, and you know who is eligible and have an idea as to the recovery of players who were injured. That said, the predictions do lend themselves to message board discussion.

Dayton is listed at 92.

njlsufan · 08-12-2012, 09:15 AM

I just don't understand why Dayton and UMass aren't ranked #1 and 1A in these rankings. It's apparent the author of the Top 144 knows nothing about basketball. Indeed.

Knobby · 08-12-2012, 10:51 AM

Please.... Umass should be roughly 5th or 6th (in terms of A-10 teams listed) and Dayton should be 8th or so.

A few delusional Umass and Dayton fans can put them 1 and 1a, but the rest of the world knows differently.

Muddy Waters · 08-12-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on May 31, 2012

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops on May 31, 2012

While it's pretty obvious many UD fans on here are somewhat delusion about their program (some more than others) ....

Exactly who are you referring to, xavierhoops ?

I picked the Flyers to finish in 6th place in 2011-12, and UD finished in 6th place in 2011-12.

I am now predicting a 4th place finish for the Flyers in 2012-13 and a NCAA Tournament "at large" invitation in March 2013.

The delusions about the 2012-13 Dayton Flyers are coming from the other side of the fence.

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on July 28, 2012

1. Saint Louis
2. VCU
3. UMass
4. Dayton
5. Butler
6. St. Joseph's
7. Temple
8. Xavier
9. Richmond
10. La Salle
11. St. Bonaventure
12. George Washington
13. Charlotte
14. Rhode Island
15. Fordham
16. Duquesne

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Originally Posted by DistrictBaller

I didn't mean all . . . Dayton fans, just the vocal ones who like to make preseason pronouncements of A-10 dominance.

Lat season, I was the only poster who picked Dayton to finish as high as 6th place, and this season, I am the only poster who picked Dayton to finish as high as 4th place.

DistrictBaller - who exactly are you referring to in your post above ?

DistrictBaller · 08-12-2012, 11:53 AM

Exactly who I said I was referring to. The vocal fans who like to make preseason pronouncements of A-10 dominance.

xavierhoops · 08-12-2012, 12:00 PM

I can't speak for DistrictBaller but I was referring to YOU, MuddyWaters.

Muddy Waters · 08-12-2012, 02:09 PM

Well, xavierhoops - you were wrong.

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on May 31, 2012

I picked the Flyers to finish in 6th place in 2011-12, and UD finished in 6th place in 2011-12.

JHG722 · 08-12-2012, 02:14 PM

Vee Sanford is a completely average player.

paulxu · 08-12-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Lat season, I was the only poster who picked Dayton to finish as high as 6th place,

Just out of curiousity could you give the link to your post where you ranked the teams selecting Dayton as coming in 6th?

08-10-2012, 06:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
drkelsey55 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 2085	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Dayton #92

08-11-2012, 10:52 AM	#19 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,126 Rep Power: 47196	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Steve, I didn't mean all UMass and Dayton fans, just the vocal ones who like to make preseason pronouncements of A-10 dominance. Sorry to hear about all the injuries and hope you enjoy your football season. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

08-11-2012, 12:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
waldo027 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 382 Rep Power: 155570	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview I followed this list last summer to see where SLU would appear, and when he got into the 20s and SLU wasn't there, I emailed him and he said SLU was not in his top 144 for 2011-12. Keep in mind the 144th best team in D-1 college basketball is awful and would finish in the bottom 4 of the A-10 most years. When SLU won only 12 games the previous season, they were still one of the top 144 of all D-1 teams. So take these rankings with a grain of salt.

08-12-2012, 09:06 AM	#22 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 336 Rep Power: 8224	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Personally, I think its premature to publish these predictions until practice has started, and you know who is eligible and have an idea as to the recovery of players who were injured. That said, the predictions do lend themselves to message board discussion. Dayton is listed at 92.

08-12-2012, 09:15 AM	#23 (permalink)
njlsufan Player Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 771 Rep Power: 21299	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview I just don't understand why Dayton and UMass aren't ranked #1 and 1A in these rankings. It's apparent the author of the Top 144 knows nothing about basketball. Indeed.

08-12-2012, 10:51 AM	#24 (permalink)
Knobby Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Western Mass Posts: 1,816 Rep Power: 247596	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Please.... Umass should be roughly 5th or 6th (in terms of A-10 teams listed) and Dayton should be 8th or so. A few delusional Umass and Dayton fans can put them 1 and 1a, but the rest of the world knows differently. __________________ Well, we were smaller, but at least we were slower!

08-12-2012, 11:53 AM	#26 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,126 Rep Power: 47196	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Exactly who I said I was referring to. The vocal fans who like to make preseason pronouncements of A-10 dominance. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

08-12-2012, 12:00 PM	#27 (permalink)
xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 864 Rep Power: 260320	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview I can't speak for DistrictBaller but I was referring to YOU, MuddyWaters. __________________ Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

08-12-2012, 02:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
JHG722 Star Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wynnewood, PA/Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,599 Rep Power: 6196	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Vee Sanford is a completely average player. __________________ Temple Owls football and basketball BU Terriers hockey

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