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JHG722 · 09-02-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by antboy

I agree with you on those other issues. I'm not 100% sure about the other guys (aside from Wyatt) as deep threats (3 point), either because they're coming off of injuries and years off (Randall, O'Brien, Pepper) are freshmen/haven't taken many 3's (Decosey, Cummings) or aren't exactly lighting it up before (Pepper at 33%). I'd also think you'd want O'Brien spending more time in the post given the limitations there. But players improve, and the other guys may shake off the rust quickly enough to be factors early. With all the newcomers and transfers, I bet Temple struggles more than usual early, and then becomes good later in the year.

Scootie is in the best shape of his life and shouldn't skip a beat from when he was putting up 17 a game. O'Brien is a stretch 4 who can shoot the 3. He's not really a typical 4, but he'll rebound a bit. Pepper can shoot, but WVU had him put on too much in the weight room. I think he's dropped a lot since WVU. I think he'll be able to slash to the basket a lot more at TU. Cummings pretty much didn't play so I understand the hesitation, but the guy is a stud. He's going to put up numbers.

cpico · 09-02-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JHG722

Scootie is in the best shape of his life and shouldn't skip a beat from when he was putting up 17 a game. O'Brien is a stretch 4 who can shoot the 3. He's not really a typical 4, but he'll rebound a bit. Pepper can shoot, but WVU had him put on too much in the weight room. I think he's dropped a lot since WVU. I think he'll be able to slash to the basket a lot more at TU. Cummings pretty much didn't play so I understand the hesitation, but the guy is a stud. He's going to put up numbers.

It sounds like Will Cummings has talent, but again you are talking about a sophomore who averaged only 6.3 minutes a game in the 21 games he played last season as a freshman. He averaged 1.4 points and .4 assists. That's not a lot of experience to go up against the guards he's going to face in the A-10.

I think Jake O'Brien was a good get for Temple, but let's remember he's missed about 1 1/2 years with injury and will be "transferring up" (from the America East conference). It might take him a good bit of time to get back in the flow of things.

And I would question whether DeCosey is going to see significant minutes this season as a freshman (who's he going to get minutes from - Wyatt, Pepper, Scootie?). Most freshman (even a lot of the good ones at the A-10 level) have ups and downs - it's a year for learning and growing).

So I don't think a ranking of 71 is ridiculous for Temple - you could argue they could maybe be up around 60 or so, but 71 isn't outrageous. They'll be competing with a bunch of teams that are very close to them in the A-10.

vaNtR · 09-02-2012, 03:07 PM

Temple's biggest losses were Ramone Moore and Michael Eric. Cummings will be an upgrade at the 1. He's not going to shoot it as much as Juan did, but he's a much better facilitator, defender and athlete than Fernandez. I expected Temple to be ranked in the high 40s or 50s, bit surprised to see them check in at 71. If Anthony Lee plays as big as he looks now, I think they'll be punching another ticket to the dance.

JHG722 · 09-02-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vaNtR

Temple's biggest losses were Ramone Moore and Michael Eric. Cummings will be an upgrade at the 1. He's not going to shoot it as much as Juan did, but he's a much better facilitator, defender and athlete than Fernandez. I expected Temple to be ranked in the high 40s or 50s, bit surprised to see them check in at 71. If Anthony Lee plays as big as he looks now, I think they'll be punching another ticket to the dance.

If O'Brien and Scootie are healthy, this is a top 40 team easily.

z8-Minutemen · 09-02-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JHG722

If O'Brien and Scootie are healthy, this is a top 40 team easily.

hahahahaha. I'm sorry but you are way overrating your team.

#71 is about right. You're relying on Khalif Wyatt, a bunch of freshman, and a player that hasn't played basketball in over a year at the D-1 level. The only thing you have going for you is the possibility of Anthony Lee breaking out.

In fact, the more I think about it, 71 might be a bit too high. Iowa, UConn, La Salle, Northwestern, and Wichita State are all much, much better than Temple, yet are listed below them.

I think we are overrating the A-10 a lot at this point. With Xavier, St Louis, and Temple down in the dumps, if it weren't for Butler and VCU, we very well might be a 2-bid league. You people are all delusional...

JHG722 · 09-02-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

hahahahaha. I'm sorry but you are way overrating your team.

#71 is about right. You're relying on Khalif Wyatt, a bunch of freshman, and a player that hasn't played basketball in over a year at the D-1 level. The only thing you have going for you is the possibility of Anthony Lee breaking out.

In fact, the more I think about it, 71 might be a bit too high. Iowa, UConn, La Salle, Northwestern, and Wichita State are all much, much better than Temple, yet are listed below them.

I think we are overrating the A-10 a lot at this point. With Xavier, St Louis, and Temple down in the dumps, if it weren't for Butler and VCU, we very well might be a 2-bid league. You people are all delusional...

I'm overrating my team? You're the one who said UMass would win the National Championship

UMass87 · 09-02-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

...You people are all delusional...

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Originally Posted by JHG722

I'm overrating my team? You're the one who said UMass would win the National Championship

That's an extraordinarily tempered response.

Muddy Waters · 09-03-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75 - Post # 1

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/...p-144-previews

Well, its started. Discuss away.

Joel Welser's Rankings to Date:

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                  Overall    Rank
Team                Rank    in A10

Temple               71        7
La Salle             80        8                 
Dayton               92        9
St. Bonaventure     112       10
George Washington   137       11

MudFlap · 09-03-2012, 09:15 AM

The flyers should finish furth.

Bona84 · 09-06-2012, 04:34 AM

#66, Butler Bulldogs

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/4789

SpiderDave19 · 09-06-2012, 04:58 AM

Oh, boy....

Bona Wolf for Pope · 09-06-2012, 05:54 AM

But they will most likely probably have the best 18 shooters in the country on their team.

Muddy Waters · 09-06-2012, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on August 23, 2012

Joel Welser is having an off-year. It happens.

It will be quite interesting to see where Joel Welser ranks Xavier.

It is quite likely that Welser had already ranked teams # 44 to # 144 before his first preview article was published, and that Welser ranked Xavier as one of the top teams in the Atlantic 10 this season.

After the expulsion of Dez Wells, that is unlikely to be the case.

In fact, at this point it is very difficult for anyone to make a credible argument that the Musketeers will finish the season as one of the Top 65 teams in the country.

As each day passes, Welser's credibility diminishes.

Joel Welser's Rankings to Date:

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                  Overall    Rank
Team                Rank    in A10

Butler               66        6
Temple               71        7
La Salle             80        8                 
Dayton               92        9
St. Bonaventure     112       10
George Washington   137       11

Knobby · 09-06-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

It will be quite interesting to see where Joel Welser ranks Xavier.

It is quite likely that Welser had already ranked teams # 44 to # 144 before his first preview article was published, and that Welser ranked Xavier as one of the top teams in the Atlantic 10 this season.

After the expulsion of Dez Wells, that is unlikely to be the case.

In fact, at this point it is very difficult for anyone to make a credible argument that the Musketeers will finish the season as one of the Top 65 teams in the country.

As each day passes, Welser's credibility diminishes.

Why do you insist on maintaining your status as this board's biggest tool?

You state Wesler is losing credibility every day (because of one team's ranking) and in the same paragraph provide an explaination (very accurately) why his X ranking will be incorrect? Because, you know, these rankings are exactly how things will look next March ......

UMass87 · 09-06-2012, 07:21 AM

Taking seriously a ranking of the top 144 teams done in the summer is strange. The list is entertaining and spurs some juicy fighting but you'd have to be borderline mentally retarded to try to take anything of substance from it.

09-02-2012, 03:07 PM	#78 (permalink)
vaNtR Veteran Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,007 Rep Power: 8401	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Temple's biggest losses were Ramone Moore and Michael Eric. Cummings will be an upgrade at the 1. He's not going to shoot it as much as Juan did, but he's a much better facilitator, defender and athlete than Fernandez. I expected Temple to be ranked in the high 40s or 50s, bit surprised to see them check in at 71. If Anthony Lee plays as big as he looks now, I think they'll be punching another ticket to the dance.

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MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,607 Rep Power: 150436	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview The flyers should finish furth.

09-06-2012, 04:34 AM	#85 (permalink)
Bona84 Star Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 2,760 Rep Power: 261039	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview #66, Butler Bulldogs http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/4789 __________________ Bona84

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SpiderDave19 Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 912 Rep Power: 48590	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Oh, boy....

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UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: College Madness Top 144 preview Taking seriously a ranking of the top 144 teams done in the summer is strange. The list is entertaining and spurs some juicy fighting but you'd have to be borderline mentally retarded to try to take anything of substance from it.

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