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Old 08-02-2012, 04:55 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

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I don't think anyone disagrees that the game has changed but I visit a ton of message boards that encompass most of the major sports and I rarely, if ever, see time periods clarified. X has been on a roll for 15-20 years but ive never seen a fan base in any sport use the term "modern era" over and over and over like X fans do. As if the sport was invented in 1986 or something.
People refer to "modern eras" all the time. For instance, "No basketball player in the modern era has ever crawled away from a fight faster than Kenny Frease."
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People refer to "modern eras" all the time. For instance, "No basketball player in the modern era has ever crawled away from a fight faster than Kenny Frease."

no team has come up with excuses quicker for losing to other teams or when they play Xavier quicker then Dayton.

Hows that cheese steak?
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Old 08-02-2012, 05:41 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

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People refer to "modern eras" all the time. For instance, "No basketball player in the modern era has ever crawled away from a fight faster than Kenny Frease."
How about cheating your way into the NCAA Tournament and a 3 yr. sanction in the modern era? The scuffle @ X was nothing like this:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...on-brooks-hall
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:34 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

I think the modern era began with Jimmy Carter.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:49 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

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I don't think anyone disagrees that the game has changed but I visit a ton of message boards that encompass most of the major sports and I rarely, if ever, see time periods clarified. X has been on a roll for 15-20 years but ive never seen a fan base in any sport use the term "modern era" over and over and over like X fans do. As if the sport was invented in 1986 or something.
For giggles I googled "college basketball modern era" and the results...................

ESPN Article

Another

The ever reliable Bleacher Report

Dan Wetzel Article

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This is not just about today, although that is a factor
(N.C. State's 10-year NCAA Tournament drought hurt its case).
This is about the long haul, specifically the last 40 years
during the game's modern era and more specifically the last
35
, when integration changed the sport completely. Winning
a Helms title (awarded to the No. 1 ranked team from 1901 to
roughly 1939) does not mean as much as capturing a 64-team
NCAA title.

There's lots more but I think you get the picture. If you say "college basketball's modern era" sports fans of all league and messageboards know what you are referring to. Well, except Dayton fans.
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

Yea, according to Flyer75, NOONE refers to the "modern era" of any sports.

The cheesesteak excuse was in the modern "Jimmy Carter" era, correct? We all know the jet-lag excuse was used by Muddy and friends this year to explain getting blown out at home by Buffalo...
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

Kudos to the Xavier and Dayton posters who managed to turn this thread into the same mindless Dayton-Xavier back-and-forth that occurs in almost every other thread on this board. And before you say "they started it", you were either part of the trolling or took the bait. Nice work.

Now I can avoid clicking on this one any further, just like I avoid the other threads with page after page of boring, monotonous, stunning waste-of-time smack. The first page was interesting.
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Re: ESPN's A-10 Summer Shootaround

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I don't think anyone disagrees that the game has changed but I visit a ton of message boards that encompass most of the major sports and I rarely, if ever, see time periods clarified. X has been on a roll for 15-20 years but ive never seen a fan base in any sport use the term "modern era" over and over and over like X fans do. As if the sport was invented in 1986 or something.
Not that I think of the term "modern era" and when it began very often, but when I do I think of 1986. Unless I'm mistaken, 85 was the last time 3 private schools made the Final Four and if you don't count Duke, we have not seen 2 private schools in the FF since either.
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Kudos to the Xavier and Dayton posters who managed to turn this thread into the same mindless Dayton-Xavier back-and-forth that occurs in almost every other thread on this board. And before you say "they started it", you were either part of the trolling or took the bait. Nice work.

Now I can avoid clicking on this one any further, just like I avoid the other threads with page after page of boring, monotonous, stunning waste-of-time smack. The first page was interesting.

Its off season, were bored. what else is there to do
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For giggles I googled "college basketball modern era" and the results...................

ESPN Article
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It's too bad they haven't updated that list since 2008.

According to ESPN, the rating of basketball programs in the modern era until 2008 for the A10 was:

17. Xavier
20. Temple
42. UMass
47. Butler
T-57. Saint Joseph's
T-65. Richmond
73. Charlotte
94. VCU
123. George Washington
T-132. La Salle
T-134. Rhode Island
T-148. Saint Louis
T-168. Dayton
T-214. Fordham
T-278. St. Bonaventure
293. Duquesne


The changes we'd likely see in the ratings if ESPN re-did them in 2012 would be:

Xavier would be slightly better
UMass would be significantly worse
Butler would be significantly better
VCU would be significantly better
Richmond would be slightly better
Fordham and SBU would switch places
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Average a10 rating was a 126 so you know if your school is helping or hurting

With ESPN's scoring system I don't think either Butler or VCU would jump enough to make it higher then either Temple or Xavier (someone could check me on that) in those four years. Butler would be the third most prestigious school in the modern era and VCU still be out of the top 50 behind UMASS as the fifth best.

I did find it interesting that even in 08 ESPN found certain schools like Miami of Ohio (T53) or Western Kentuky (43) would be ranked better then some schools that seem to be viewed as more accomplished like Marqette (T61), Notre Dame (T86), Vanderbilt (T96), and Tenn (99).
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ya but UMass had two losing seasons since so would be down at least where VCU was....near 90
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Kudos to the Xavier and Dayton posters who managed to turn this thread into the same mindless Dayton-Xavier back-and-forth that occurs in almost every other thread on this board. And before you say "they started it", you were either part of the trolling or took the bait. Nice work.
Really? It's pretty clear "who started it." Not a guess, not an interpretation, not a biased opinion. It's very evident. None of this stuff happened over the past several weeks while the Muddy was banned. He's been posting for a few days, and this board has gone off the deep end already.

If you had a group of people as obsessed with your team as Muddy and his friends on here are of Xavier and posted near hourly posts (many fabrications or outright lies) you'd respond as well.

If there are no insanely idiotic and delusioned posts, there is no need for factual responses to bring the thread back to reality.
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Really? It's pretty clear "who started it." Not a guess, not an interpretation, not a biased opinion. It's very evident. None of this stuff happened over the past several weeks while the Muddy was banned. He's been posting for a few days, and this board has gone off the deep end already.

If you had a group of people as obsessed with your team as Muddy and his friends on here are of Xavier and posted near hourly posts (many fabrications or outright lies) you'd respond as well.

If there are no insanely idiotic and delusioned posts, there is no need for factual responses to bring the thread back to reality.
This is not meant to defend Muddy, xavierhoops. But, he has exactly zero posts in this thread.
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Kudos to the Xavier and Dayton posters who managed to turn this thread into the same mindless Dayton-Xavier back-and-forth that occurs in almost every other thread on this board. And before you say "they started it", you were either part of the trolling or took the bait. Nice work.

Now I can avoid clicking on this one any further, just like I avoid the other threads with page after page of boring, monotonous, stunning waste-of-time smack. The first page was interesting.
I can sympathize with posters who are looking for the appropriate place to talk about the biggest story in the national media about A10 last season, the Xavier Brawlers. Every time a proper thread is formed to discuss it (Even by non-UD posters), it mysteriously disappears. This forces that natural discussion into other threads. It's an awful mess. Who is to blame? Nobody really knows who is doing this because there is a cloak of silence surrounding such topics. It is forbidden territory. You can get board demerits from just bringing it up. Very creepy stuff.
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