WH

I don't really have a problem with the actions of Xavier -- assuming Wells' accuser did not simply make it up. If that were the case, then his expulsion would be a travesty. We will probably never learn the full details, however.

Schools have the right to decide who will represent their teams and act in ways that are are extra-legal, especially private universities. Like it or not that's the way it is.

My guess is that there were other things that put Wells on thin ice, particularly after his actions in the Cincy game. But ultimately I don't care. I am not an alumni of the school and will leave such matters to Xavier.

Still, the school's haste certainly will have a cost. I can imagine recruiters at other places pointing out to potential Xavier recruits how quickly the school will turn on them at the first hint of trouble.

Just another day in the life of college athletics. Wells will move on and so will everyone else ...

UMass87

This is the point the prosecutor was making - schools don't have the ability to adequately defend a person from false accusation. The system just isn't capable of that. On the other hand, if you don't believe the accuser and act accordingly then the accuser can report you to DoE for Title IX violations. Now DoE has to act and the institution gets in trouble. To some degree or another this is what has happened to Xavier (although it's certainly not clear that the accusers in past Xavier cases were making anything up). The point is that the system can absolutely be gamed to the detriment of the accused.

ChicagoX

It's just too bad that Xavier decided to react so swiftly and prematurely. All they had to do was issue an indefinite suspension until the legal process had played out and this whole debacle would not have been nearly as bad.

By issuing an indefinite suspension, the accused is removed from campus and not allowed back until he is exonerated. This is what should have been done to the two rapists who were allowed to stay on campus last year and got Xavier in such hot water. Had they been suspended and removed from school grounds when the accusations were made, they certainly would not have been allowed back after all the evidence had been laid out and they would have been permanently expelled, which is what should have happened. The feds wouldn't have been called to begin with if things had been done correctly last year and Dez wouldn't have been made into a scapegoat.

Once Dez was essentially cleared by Deters and the grand jury, he could have been welcomed back to campus and little harm would have been done.

AdamtheFlyer

The problem is, Wells wasn't expelled for a crime. He was expelled for a violation of school rules. The grand jury deciding against charges and grandstanding by the prosecutor have no bearing on Xavier's decision.

This is not a kid getting arrested on suspicion of DUI, then the cops not charging him. This is potential rape/sexual assault, on a campus with issues in those cases recently. Dez, sadly, probably never had a chance.

I will say this, based on what I heard listening to Cunningham today, I can understand Xavier a bit more. I don't think a crime occurred, but the facts seem to paint more of a grey picture, not black and white (there are places to see what I'm talking about, I'm not going to go into it here). Expulsion seems very severe, but given the federal probe, I can see why Xavier would overreact. But the clown show process of the Conduct Board was a joke.

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SpiderDave19

Deters....Wells.....Xavier.....no one comes out of this looking good. Of the three, Wells comes off as possibly the victim - which really sucks if he actually did do something that warranted this punishment.

more cowbell

Would not have been an issue if he had worn a jimmy.

nomad

Because an offense is not criminal does not mean it doesn't violate a code of conduct of a private institution. What XU was adjudicating was not a criminal violation but a violation of a student code of conduct. They obviously found he had violated the code of conduct, (and in light of recent issues on the XU campus) he was immediately expelled. Was he treated fairly? Who knows and it really isn't the concern of anyone outside of XU.

X-man47

Based on what's been said at the Banners on the Parkway site, on the radio, and elsewhere, the sex was not consensual because alcohol was involved according to Xavier's code of conduct in the Student Handbook. If that is the case, Xavier's only option was expulsion because that is required for "level 1" violations of this kind, again according to the Handbook. Given the policy, the recent history with Xavier's handling of rape charges, and the DOE intervention that occurred because of the way Xavier handled these situations in the past, Xavier had no choice but to expel Dez Wells. It's too bad because he's a great kid by all accounts, and this was not a criminal rape situation.

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xavierhoops

Well, for starters, obviously you care about what school he is a fan of since you brought it up on the first page of this thread. Secondly, it's obviously very relelvant to you. Since again, you were the one to suggest the prosecutor was an X fan just wanting to get Dez back on the team.

Wow, some people really just talk out of their *** on here. If you're just randomly making stuff up or wildly guessing, just don't post.

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ace93

So did the female student get expelled too or was Dez not drinking?

nomad

I suppose he could go back and file a complaint for BJ remorse.

UMass87

Please tell me that Wells didn't get expelled for getting a bj from a drunk coed.

sonofamuskie

Ok and what rat hole did you climb out of? Oh, the liberal cess pool of Massachusetts.

Aldo

She chipped a tooth.

Muddy Waters

This thread is going into the gutter.

Back to topic ==> Re: Dez is Back

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