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Old 09-03-2012, 12:34 PM   #121 (permalink)
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These two things don't go together. One invalidates the other.

Edit: No comment on the Dez situation, just stating policy.
And yet not a problem at the fine, upstanding scholastic institutions of Kentucky, Maryland, Memphis and Oregon who paid to fly him all over the country hoping he would choose them. Don't see any irony here? Dez made a mistake. Thinking with the wrong head. Prosecutor said it was consensual. Whaddya want? No crime.
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:43 PM   #122 (permalink)
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And yet not a problem at the fine, upstanding scholastic institutions of Kentucky, Maryland, Memphis and Oregon who paid to fly him all over the country hoping he would choose them. Don't see any irony here? Dez made a mistake. Thinking with the wrong head. Prosecutor said it was consensual. Whaddya want? No crime.
I don't work at, back or particularly love any of those institutions, so I can't comment on what they see in Dez. As I said, I'm not making any proclamation of his guilt or innocence, just pointing out that at all the small private institutions I've worked for or known the policies of (Xavier not on that list), consensual goes out the window when drunk is involved. This is true of both parties, but doesn't specifically excuse either one for their violations (which don't have to be criminal to be acted upon and aren't written by the prosecutor).
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:51 PM   #123 (permalink)
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The prosecutor should have said that he felt there was not enough evidence to prove it was non-consensual and get a conviction in a court of law. 24 fellow students, faculty and staff said they didn't feel he should be allowed the privelege to continue to be a student at X because of his decision-making. An appeal of the process by Dez failed.
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:53 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Yeah, if they throw everyone out for drunken consensual sex (honor system like the Mormons ?), there won't be any more small private schools imho.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:00 PM   #125 (permalink)
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If Dez Wells was thrown out of school simply for having consensual sex with another adult, then Xavier sucks.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:01 PM   #126 (permalink)
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The prosecutor should have said that he felt there was not enough evidence to prove it was non-consensual and get a conviction in a court of law.
Yeah, except for one small detail. That is not what he said. "Are you still beating your kids?", sounds like you are, or have, and stopped.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:45 PM   #127 (permalink)
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If Dez Wells was thrown out of school simply for having consensual sex with another adult, then Xavier sucks.
Dez Wells explains things in the ESPN article linked in my signature line:

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On Wednesday afternoon, Wells spoke for the first time with CBS's Jeff Goodman, and he was surprisingly forgiving in his stance toward Xavier.

He said the incident he was expelled for began as a game of "Truth or Dare," but maintained that the culminating incident was consensual. And he highlighted what may be the real reasons he was caught up in such a messy spat between Hamilton County legal officials and Xavier University.
"I didn't think the process was fair. I went into it as guilty and having to prove my innocence instead of them having to prove that I was guilty," he said from his home in North Carolina.

"I feel like everyone rushed the process and panicked. They went with a gut feel. I understand the severity of the accusations."

"Rape is one of the highest felonies in the world, but I think they just panicked."


Swift and decisive action hadn't been taken when it came to sexual assault incidents on the campus and the school was cited by The United States Department of Education for violating anti-discrimination laws after multiple sexual assault victims claimed not enough action was taken following their allegations.

"I do think what happened previously at Xavier affected what they did with me," Wells said.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:52 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Yeah, if they throw everyone out for drunken consensual sex (honor system like the Mormons ?), there won't be any more small private schools imho.
They are only gonna get thrown out if one of the parties reports it so something must have happened that she was not okay with unless she was just trying to sabotage him which would be a pretty sick thing to do. If Dez was drunk to then he could claim that he was also unable to give consent in which case the women could be thrown out of school too. Its a pretty silly rule that schools have but most girls wouldn't report it to someone unless there was more to it then just drunken sex unless shes a psycho.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:33 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Dez will pick school @ 10 a.m. after ruling out Kentucky:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...8d13_blog.html
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According to Adam Zagoria, Wells is headed for Maryland: http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/09/04/s...s-to-maryland/
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:08 AM   #131 (permalink)
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That's correct.

http://lockerz.com/s/241298561
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:33 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Looks like he'll play this year. Maryland, Memphis or Oregon. Turned down UK due to no schollie immediately available. He'll get a waiver.
Honest question: Why would he get a waiver? Just because he was expelled? I wouldn't think that would be a valid waiver reason for the NCAA to use. It's not like Dez would answer why he wants a transfer granted as "Xavier screwed me over with their kangaroo court student board."
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:13 AM   #133 (permalink)
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He lost his schollie at his original school.

"A waiver process is available to all student-athletes, and each waiver request is reviewed individually. From April 2011 to April 2012, the NCAA approved 91 transfer waivers and denied 71."

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Old 09-04-2012, 10:19 AM   #134 (permalink)
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Espn doesn't think it will happen, but strange things do:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...s-terps-future
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Wrong again. Have you ever served on a Grand Jury? I have. It was held in a community service room @ the Library due to a prior committment of the county's grand jury room. No Judge. No Defense Atty. Just the Prosecutor presenting the facts of the case. Same result. We refused to indict. You could have one in a barn in Dayton.

You should try voting once in a while and you might get called.
Who cares where it was held? It is still a court case handled under the auspices of the Court, and I am aware there is no attorney for a witness or judge. However, a witness may consult with counsel, although counsel is not allowed to enter the grand jury room. In fact, I represented such a witness on one occasion. I sat outside the room and consulted when she left the room. In that case, the grand jury decided not to indict but it involved a questionable self defense claim - stabbed a man who attacked him with a baseball bat. In my local jurisdiction, the grand jury room is in the courthouse, of course, so is the prosecutor's office for that matter. Of course, the location could be shifted, but it is under control of the Court. If someone refuses to appear at a grand jury hearing, the Court enforces the subpoena. So how is it not a court case? No need to respond, you are wrong.

The bottom line the prosecutor's decision to present the matter to the grand jury was at best case a political decision, since a prosecutor has unfettered discretion whether to present a matter before a grand jury. Since the prosecutor believed Wells was innocent this was not a case where the defendnat simply had a defense that was not clear cut, and the prosecutor decided to leave it up to reasonable men and women to hear the evidence that pointed towards guilt. In my opinion there was absolutely no ethical reason to present anything to the grand jury.

This is my last word on this matter. X fans can believe there was some type of intensive fact finding by the grand jury and that the prosecutor had some type of honorable motive in prosecuting Wells (presenting a case to a grand jury is a prosecutorial function and stage of a prosecution). I don't care. Based on what I have heard, and I obviously have no access to what was presented at X or in the grand jury, Wells simply exercised some questionable decision-making which did not rise to the level of criminal conduct. However, XU was well within its discretion to expel him, especially considering his prior involvement in the brawl with UC.
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