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Old 08-28-2012, 10:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jim Crews

New coach for the Billikens.

I know about his past from Army. I am of the opinion right now that it was a bad move to make him an assistant, even if Majerus had a shock collar on him, and a much much worse move to make him Head Coach for even a limited amount of time.

I remember him a little from his days coaching at Evansville but even so I was a child during that time.

Wondering if any posters had any input about him as new coach or any memories of playing against him?
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Re: Jim Crews


Crews does come with a lot of baggage:


Army Fires Crews as Coach (ESPN - September 24, 2009)
Army fired Jim Crews as men's basketball coach after seven seasons with the academy.

"There was a series of events that led me down the path to determine that I needed to make a change in leadership of the men's basketball program and terminate coach Crews' contract," athletic director Kevin Anderson said in a statement. "I am very disappointed with some things that have come to my attention in recent days and I have decided that it is in the best interests of the basketball program and the institution to terminate our relationship."

The timing of Crews' firing is odd considering teams were allowed to start team workouts for two hours a week beginning Sept. 15. Official team practice begins Oct. 16.

Army was 60-139 in seven seasons with Crews.

Single Issue Pushed Army AD to Fire Crews (Andy Katz, ESPN - September 24, 2009)


Was Army Coach Jim Crews Fired for Abusing a Player ? (The Dagger, Yahoo! - September 25, 2009)


Jim Crews (Wikipedia) - Last winning season: 1999–2000.


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Back Story: Mack, Coffee, Crews - Post # 1

I have read and heard several versions of the Mack/Coffee inbounds facesmack over the years, many from posters here. A reputable source here (one I haven't had to put on ignore) has insisted that Mack hit Coffee in the face twice in that game, 19 years ago.

Here is a piece in which Coffee (as big as he was, the victim), Crews, the coach who made two of his players do it, and Mack all give their versions.

Any rationale person would read the facts and think "unfortunate incident, good ending." Those for whom the facts need never get in the way of a good mad-on will continue to get Flyer red in the face.


Here is the link http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...0102/304210042


Here is the story.....

Nineteen years ago Xavier men’s basketball coach Chris Mack played college hoops for the University of Evansville. And Evansville, on a particular occasion, played Dayto

So begins a story that has followed Mack since February of 1990, on the night he popped a ball in a defender’s face while taking it out of bounds under Dayton’s basket.

That defender was Wes Coffee, and he was twice hit in the face by different Purple Aces within the game’s first 13 minutes.

Only the second hit came from Mack. But it launched a sequence of events that led to a near melee between teams, a contrite Mack, a dazed Coffee, an apology letter, and a reputation – for Mack – as a perpetual villain to some in Dayton.

The incident resurfaced in whispers around the time of Mack’s April 15 introduction as XU’s new coach. After a little digging, it was clear that there’s no love lost for the Evansville-turned-Xavier transfer player in Dayton annals: first because of the Coffee incident, and second for his decades-old allegiance to the archrival Musketeers.

Last week Mack was asked to set the record straight. What happened that night, and why? He was happy to oblige.

Double trouble

The story, Mack said, starts like this: Evansville was playing a heated rivalry game at Dayton, which was known as a pressing team.

“I think our coach, Jim Crews, was bothered by the fact that the guy guarding the in-bounder was always stepping over the line. He’d warn referees and they never seemed to move them back. It’s one of those rules that’s in there but they didn’t really follow it,” Chris Mack said.

“And he had made the point in the shoot-around the day before, that if that kept happening, ‘You just boink the guy in the nose with the ball. I’m tired of this.’ We all sort of chuckled and he said, ‘I’m serious. You’re going to boink him in the nose.’”

(Crews, by the way, was a member of Indiana’s 1976 national championship team, led by Bobby Knight. He spent eight years as Hoosier assistant on Knight’s coaching staff before a successful 17-year run at Evansville.)

The day after the shoot-around, the Purple Aces didn’t play well. They were down by 10 or 12 points, Mack said, when his teammate in-bounded the ball under the Flyers’ hoop.

According to Mack and the Dayton Daily News’ account of the game, Evansville guard Scott Schreffler was nearing the end of the five second count and Coffee, a forward/center, was guarding him.

Schreffler threw the ball into Coffee’s face, the paper said. Coffee was stunned, his lip split. He thought it might have been an accident; he was a 7-footer, and an obstacle to get around.

Ten minutes later, then-sophomore Mack was in Schreffler’s place and needed to in-bound the ball against the Flyers’ press.

“The same guy (Coffee) is on the ball and it’s getting close to a five count, and I looked long and I threw it and hit him right in the nose,” Mack said.

At that point most onlookers thought Mack had thrown the ball twice, a misconception he last week wanted to rectify. He said he only threw it once. Coffee agreed.

Still, many in the arena grew incensed – like Coffee’s teammate, Negele Knight, who took the incident personally, the Dayton Daily News said. Knight ran from the wing of Dayton’s press and chest-bumped Mack.

“That’s all I could do,” Knight told the newspaper. “I knew if I started a fight, I’d get thrown out. So I just bumped him to see if I could get a reaction. He didn’t react.”
Following orders

Coffee was shocked after Mack hit him with the ball and remained, for a while, angry.

“Chris hit me really, really good, square on nose and mouth, and split my lip even further. That’s when people realized it was intentional, and there was an uproar,” said Coffee, who lives in Alabama and recently recounted the story.

He didn’t retaliate.

“Even if I wanted to swing, I didn’t know what direction to swing because my eyes were watering so much,” Coffee said.

The referee called a technical foul on Mack, the Dayton Daily News said. The teams shoved each other and the atmosphere was charged, but no fighting took place.

Mack was the only Purple Ace who tried to shake hands after the Flyers’ 23-point win, according to the Dayton Daily News story.

He told its reporter he was sorry, and that he was trying to throw the ball over Coffee’s head – but under the bottom of the backboard – to beat the five-second count.

Mack last week said the latter comments were meant to protect his coach. He took the game to heart and said the Coffee incident contributed to his decision to transfer.

Crews, who became Army’s head coach in 2002, on Monday supported Mack’s account of the game. It sure was a long time ago, Crews said, and he didn’t remember the first ball thrown at Coffee, but Mack did what he was told.

“He followed orders,” Crews said.


Crews said he warned his players then that Dayton defenders were going to keep crossing the line, per their coach’s instruction. If officials weren’t going to whistle them for violations, UD’s players would continue the behavior, Crews said.

Coffee said he never crossed he end line and went out of bounds. He didn’t have to, he said, because his “arms and legs were long enough” to defend the pass.
Lessons learned

Once he returned to Evansville, the exchange weighed on Mack. He composed an apology to Coffee and slipped it in the mail.

“For him to write the letter … I definitely didn’t expect that. He hoped I would forgive him,” Coffee said. “I thought that was very classy. I never held any ill-will against him.”

The next year Mack transferred to Xavier, where he went on to be a two-time captain. He said he loved Crews as a coach, but “those type of things” led him out of Evansville.

“I felt bad. I want to compete and I want to win but I’m not going to do it that way,” Mack said.

Coffee today wishes only the best for Mack and was congratulatory about his new role at XU. Although Mack has moved on, too, he won’t forget.

“Not only did I learn a lesson as a player but I really learned more of a lesson as a coach, dealing with kids,” Mack said. “It’s about competing and being nasty and tough, but it’s also about shaking their hand and doing it the right way.”

Time doesn’t always sway those who hold grudges. Despite the fact that his wife, Christi, was a Flyer, Mack probably won’t get a warm reception the first time he leads XU at UD Arena.

To that end, two things are certain: The Xavier-Dayton animosity will live on, and Mack – a Musketeer through-and-through – doesn’t expect to make any new Dayton friends. The Coffee incident ensured as much.

“I became the villain at Dayton,” Mack said. “And I’ve got no problem with that.”
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Which proves you (Mack) can act like a complete ass wipe, say you're sorry and everyone will think you are a terrific person.
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Crews is bad news. First class jerk(that from a good friend who encountered him in the late 70s). Mt guess is that by the time he is done "Rick the *rick" will seem like a nice guy.
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Jim Crews - new coach for the Billikens.

In all honesty, I think that unemployed Brad Soderberg would have been a better choice.



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Beyond his personality, look at his track record. He was a decent coach in the late 80s and early 90s. Classic case of a guy who had the game pass by him a long time ago. In his last 14 years as a head coach, he's had 4 winning seasons and one postseason berth.

If he doesn't drive the bus into a lake in the next 8 months, consider it a win.
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Re: Jim Crews

No use crying over spilled Flyers...

I am neutral towards Crews, but he's definitely not a long term solution...this little incident doesn't bother me at all. If I were a Dayton fan I'd probably be a little peeved, but from the outside looking in it's not really a big deal...

Moral of the Story: Don't step over the baseline
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If I was an SLU I would be worried about how quickly a guy like Crews could lose control of the team. If his antics were over the top at the Army I have a hard time seeing it isn't going to alienate everyone at SLU.
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Not baiting, I'd like to hear more.

I really have no problem with what Mack or Crews did in that certain situation. I did the same thing in grade school and High school when I played. It may be "dirty" but so is putting your hands and feet over the line. My coaches never had to order me to make those types of plays though.

IMO SLU may be so talented & used to Majerus' running practices that Crews may not have any adverse affect on them. Or he will run the team into the ground and we'll go .500. There were better options than Jim Crews.

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[QUOTE=Bizziken;6938358]No use crying over spilled Flyers...

I am neutral towards Crews, but he's definitely not a long term solution...this little incident doesn't bother me at all. If I were a Dayton fan I'd probably be a little peeved, but from the outside looking in it's not really a big deal...

Moral of the Story: Don't step over the baseline[/QUOTE

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Which LITTLE incident are you refering too?
Crews has a history that extends beyond ONE little incident.
Look before you leap.

You know you are in trouble when its hard to find one SLU fan that is excited about your new head coach.

Moral of the story: A villain may disguise himself, but he will not deceive the wise.
Perhaps Mack is wiser than I thought. He got the hell out from under Crews. As fast as he could.

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Re: Jim Crews

Coaching circles are funny.
  • Based on media reports, Crews may seem like a questionable guy.
  • Rick Majerus is portrayed as an all around good guy. He thought highly enough of Crews to hire him as an assistant.
  • When Rick Majerus comes to Dayton, he always praises former UD coach Don Donoher("I love that man"). These days Donoher is revered in the Dayton community.
  • One of Donoher's good friends is Bobby Knight. Donoher was part of Knight's coaching staff for the Olympic games and briefly at Indiana after his coaching days at UD ended. Majerus is also friends with Knight. Crews played for Knight at Indiana.
Two of these coaches have been portrayed as villians and two of these coaches are portrayed as virtual Saints. Given that the four of them seem to be friends, very close friends in some cases, I doubt that any of these men are as good or bad as presented in the media - probably more alike than those of us on the outside understand.

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Re: Jim Crews

Ricks nickname is Rick the Prick. Take it for whatever. Rick is a winner.

Crews is a jerk who doesnt win much ... a bad combination.
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Crews is a jerk who doesnt win much ... a bad combination.
Crews did not win at Army - not exactly an easy coaching gig.

Evansville made 4 NCAA DI tournaments and 2 NIT tournamments when Crews was coach. Evansville had only one NCAA appearance before Crews was coach and has not appeared in the NCAA or NIT tournament since Crews left - for what thats worth.
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