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Old 09-04-2012, 11:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can mid-majors make Final Four push?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...dup/index.html
  1. UNLV (Mountain West)
  2. San Diego State (Mountain West)
  3. VCU (Atlantic 10)
  4. Creighton (Missouri Valley)
  5. Saint Louis (Atlantic 10)
  6. Murray State (Ohio Valley)
  7. Butler (Atlantic 10)
  8. Memphis (Conference USA)
  9. Northern Iowa (Missouri Valley)
  10. Gonzaga (West Coast)
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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and where is the number one team in the A-10?
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and where is the number one team in the A-10?
I'm having a hard time figuring out which "number one" team you're talking about here.
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I'm having a hard time figuring out which "number one" team you're talking about here.
The 2014 National Champs.
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that's the one!
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Come on Dr. J to Coach Cal to Marcus Camby to Coach Kellogg. And you guys think SI would have them categorized as a mid major?
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Why? UMass has a looney or two on here....and you guys just throw your lines out there to try to reel them into another thread. Then you'll go and complain when they show up.

Stop being part of the problem.
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Re: Can mid-majors make Final Four push?
Here are the pertinent A-10 snippets:

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A lot of the success teams in this category have comes from the development of less-heralded recruits into major-college talent. That said, highly-regarded players are finding their way to more off-the-standard-path programs, lured by strong coaching and available playing time. For the Class of 2012, 10 of ESPN's top 100 ranked recruits ended up outside the six BCS football leagues. UNLV, Houston and VCU nabbed two potential stars apiece. Here is the full list of guys who should make immediate impacts (in order of ranking):

Anthony Bennett (F, UNLV)
Danuel House (SF, Houston)
Shaq Goodwin (C, Memphis)
Katin Reinhardt (SG, UNLV)
Danrad "Chicken" Knowles (PF, Houston)
Winston Shepard (SF, San Diego State)
Robert Upshaw (C, Fresno State)
Kellen Dunham (SG, Butler)
Fred Van Vleet (PG, Wichita State)
Melvin Johnson (SG, VCU)
Maurice Watson (PG, Boston U.)
Jordan Burgess (SF, VCU)
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How well will Butler and VCU transition to the Atlantic 10?:The acceleration of the Bulldogs' and Rams' move into the more rugged A-10 has put significant pressure on rosters built to compete in their former leagues to be able to handle bigger, more physical rosters for a full league season. Both teams are very talented -- VCU especially returns a ton of talent that has developed during the Rams' excellent runs the last two seasons -- so we'll get a good proxy of the age-old, high-major argument that mid-majors couldn't handle playing their league schedules.
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3. VCU (Atlantic 10)
Have every rotation guy back except for Bradford Burgess? Check. Still have Shaka Smart on the bench? Check. Two highly-touted recruits? Check. The Atlantic 10 is not going to enjoy visits to this side of Richmond, either. The Rams should contend strongly in their debut season.

5. Saint Louis (Atlantic 10)
Even without Rick Majerus on the sideline, the Billikens are the likely A-10 media poll favorite. Kwamain Mitchell and Cody Ellis provide enough shooting to supplement the very stingy defense. The pressure is on interim coach Jim Crews to get this team playing to its potential.

7. Butler (Atlantic 10)
If Rotnei Clarke and Kellen Dunham shoot like they are capable of, this is a whole new Butler team and one that could be very good. Inside guys Andrew Smith and Khyle Marshall should be much more effective with better spacing. Can they hold up to the Atlantic 10 grind?
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If we extrapolate out from this, he things VCU will win the A-10, with Temple and Xavier possibly his toss ups for 4 (since they are the programs nationally know, though we all know SJU, UMass, La Salle and others will be in that mix).

I'd be interested to see how many guys who were once on the Top 100 list ended up at "mid majors"...I wonder if it is more than the 10 that stayed on after committing to non-BCS schools. I also like how if ESPN puts you on their list, you're a potential star.
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The 2014 National Champs.
Figured as much.


As a sane UMass fan: We're should not be in the discussion for pushing for a national title. Pushing for a single digit NCAA bid is a different story.
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Those lists mean little. Title BU has been on here talking about how many top 100 or 150 kids they have. Most of them were there last year and they were a CBI team. How many Top 100 kids did Butler and VCU have for Final Four runs? A lot fewer than most all the teams they beat on the way. When Umass went to the FInal Four and were #1 all year, I'm guessing Camby was the only guy ranked that high. They beat Kentucky that season, who sent about 9 guys to the NBA.


Fun to look at, as we are starved for information regarding these kids our schools are after, but they often end up way off base, in both directions. And they don't take into account a coaches ability to make a good team out of "lesser" recruits, or to make those individual kids better players.

And I just love how a kid can be ranked about 65th overall, with offers from Florida, UNC, Mich St, and then a couple A10 schools....and the day after he chooses the A10 school, his rank drops about 50 spots. All you need to know, right there.
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  1. UNLV (Mountain West)
  2. San Diego State (Mountain West)
  3. VCU (Atlantic 10)
  4. Creighton (Missouri Valley)
  5. Saint Louis (Atlantic 10)
  6. Murray State (Ohio Valley)
  7. Butler (Atlantic 10)
  8. Memphis (Conference USA)
  9. Northern Iowa (Missouri Valley)
  10. Gonzaga (West Coast)
This is absurd. Don't pay attention to these lists. They clearly don't pay attention to college basketball themselves.

UMass should be ahead of everyone on this list. Northern Iowa?! are you freakin' kidding me?!?!

I think I agree with spider23. The only excuse for this would be that they don't consider us mid-major, because after all, we're not. VCU and Butler technically are mid-major still, and maybe they didnt realize that SLU moved from the C-USA 7 years ago. That's the only logical reason for this that I can think of. This is ludicrous.
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You know I hate the mid-major term and wish every program in this conference would reject it. Fans and administrations alike.
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Waggy, I have always liked X's thinking on "mid major" - obviously X's results on the court and recruiting the last 10 years do not imply "mid major". How many "high majors" would kill for X's tournament success recently? While the A10 can beat our chest in the preseason each year (a la Dayton) and proclaim multiple bids, I do think the A10 is putting together a basketball league to compete with the majors. What will it take to be considered a major conference? Two teams in the final four?
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I think someone needs to win it all.

Otherwise, what are we missing? Xavier has had a solid run, and the A10 has multiple teams NOT named Xavier who have achieved #1 National Rankings in multiple years, made Final Four(s), had 1st team All Americans, National Players of the Year, NBA draft picks/success......all in the recent past. I'm not talking about Bob Lanier or the Lasalle championship from the Hoover administration. This is RECENTLY. Temple, St Joe, Umass, GW, Butler, VCU...and even the little ol' Spiders have made some national noise from time to time. This league is full of programs that have been pretty close to the top of the mountain. But the respect isn't there, because the names aren't big enough......it's the whole football thing when you get down to it.

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