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Old 10-05-2012, 10:11 AM   #16 (permalink)
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No rising sophomores at Duquesne? Not surprised. Pantophlet, Datt and Torres don't have a ton of potential. So sad to be a Dukes fan.
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This is undoubtedly true. I give Gathers credit, though. Schmidt was looking for some stability. Gathers didnt turn the ball over, made the right passes, played solid defense and helped on the boards. More of a glue player than anything.
I like Gathers and think he will be very good for the Bonnies, and part of the reason I though starting him worked is that it let Wright come off the bench where he was much more successful.
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I like Gathers and think he will be very good for the Bonnies, and part of the reason I though starting him worked is that it let Wright come off the bench where he was much more successful.
It is no coincidence that Gathers' presence in the starting lineup coincided with Bona's drastically improved perimeter defense. Gathers, Kloof, and Conger are all very athletic and play D that reminds me of Tim Winn's Bonnies. It's one of the reasons Bona fans are quietly optimistic coming into 2012-13. Life without Nicholson will be a major adjustment, but returning nine experienced vets from last year's squad is a good start.
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No rising sophomores at Duquesne? Not surprised. Pantophlet, Datt and Torres don't have a ton of potential. So sad to be a Dukes fan.
Finally a little realism from you. That's the spirit! Keep it up!
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Unless I missed it, Kloof was our PG throughout. Gathers was the 2.

Also Kloof will be a junior this year. He played at a juco a couple years ago and lost a year.
No way! So you're telling me that WH messed up on his information! I'm shocked.!
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Glad to see you posting, even if it is on a limited basis. One rising soph you overlooked was Matt Derenbecker at UD. True, he is an LSU transfer, but he will only be playing for his 2nd year of college hoops.

Guess that makes him a "rising rising sophomore."
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No rising sophomores at Duquesne? Not surprised. Pantophlet, Datt and Torres don't have a ton of potential. So sad to be a Dukes fan.
I don't agree on Pantophlet and Torres could eventually be a role player. However, if things don't change, this has the making of a lost class.
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I didn't think Pantophlet was as good as Bill Clark was his freshman year. Bill averaged over 8 points a game while Panto only got 3.5 points. He would really need to take a step forward in terms of shooting consistency to garner any attention league wide.
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Glad to see you posting, even if it is on a limited basis. One rising soph you overlooked was Matt Derenbecker at UD. True, he is an LSU transfer, but he will only be playing for his 2nd year of college hoops.
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it's really hard to put stock in transfers that have sat out a whole season. As most Xavier fans know, it takes a while to get the rust off.
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It depends on where the transfer comes from.

LSU, Georgetown, and Ohio State are not the same as Monmouth, Towson, and Western Michigan.








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It depends on where the transfer comes from.

LSU, Georgetown, and Ohio State are not the same as Monmouth, Towson, and Western Michigan.
It depends if you would rather have players who realize they are outclassed and bump down or players who are too good and look for better competition.
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It depends if you would rather have players who realize they are outclassed and bump down or players who are too good and look for better competition.
I would rather have players who accepted basketball scholarships from LSU, Georgetown, and Ohio State than players who could do no better than Monmouth, Towson, and Western Michigan.

Look for Matt Derenbecker, Vee Sanford, and Jordan Sibert to make a big impact in the Atlantic 10 over the next three seasons.


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When a player transfers from a "lower" conference to a "higher" conference (such as the Atlantic 10), his stats usually take a nosedive as he faces higher-quality defenders. To wit:


6'-8", 220-lb. Travis Taylor Career Stats . . . 6'-8", 230-lb. Isaiah Philmore Career Stats

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Player            Year      Team      (W-L)   CL   POS  FG %   RPG    PPG 

Travis Taylor    2008-09   Monmouth   (8-23)  FR   PF   54.2   5.8   12.4

Travis Taylor    2009-10   Monmouth  (12-19)  SO   PF   54.2   7.6   17.8

Travis Taylor    2011-12   Xavier    (23-13)  JR   PF   44.9   3.7    4.5

Travis Taylor    2012-13   Xavier             SR 


Isaiah Philmore  2009-10   Towson    (10-21)  FR   PF   48.4   3.9    6.4

Isaiah Philmore  2010-11   Towson     (4-26)  SO   PF   49.1   7.0   15.3

Isaiah Philmore  2012-13   Xavier             JR
6'-8", 220-lb. Travis Taylor Game Log . . . 6'-8", 230-lb. Isaiah Philmore Game Log
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It's really hard to put stock in transfers that have sat out a whole season.
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In seasons gone by, Sean Miller brought in a steady influx of high-quality Division I transfers such as Brian Thornton (Vanderbilt), Drew Lavender (Oklahoma), C.J. Anderson, Jamel McLean, Jordan Crawford (Indiana), and Tu Holloway (Indiana), who were largely responsible for Xavier’s considerable success during the past six seasons.
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As most Xavier fans know, it takes a while to get the rust off.
It didn't take transfer PG Kevin Dillard long to get the rust off:


Kevin Dillard's 2011-12 Game Log (Yahoo!)


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Chaz fouled out while trying to guard Kevin Dillard.


Dayton 76, UMass 43 (Yahoo! Box Score - February 25, 2012)

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Chaz Williams   27  2-12   5-6    2    3    2    5    11    

Kevin Dillard   29  3-8    8-10   4    7    1    3    14
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I would rather have players who accepted basketball scholarships from LSU, Georgetown, and Ohio State than players who could do no better than Monmouth, Towson, and Western Michigan.
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It was a stroke of luck for Xavier that each of them decided to transfer when they did, and a greater stroke of luck that they chose Xavier.

It hasn't been Xavier's recruiting that has kept them on top during the regular season - it has been the luck of signing transfers who did not become available after the previous season had ended. In each instance, this was something that could hot have been predicted by Xavier's head coach before the season ended.
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So far, Chris Mack has brought in Travis Taylor (Monmouth), Isaiah Philmore (Towson), Matt Stainbrook (Western Michigan), and JUCO Chris Cantino.
Monmouth, Towson, Western Michigan, and Chipola Community College are not 'big time' college basketball.

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