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College Hoops · 10-04-2012, 11:04 AM

Phil Martelli must feel like he just got the kiss of death. Are these polls akin to being on the cover of Sports Illustrated and the seemingly bad luck that follows? Four players on the first three all-conference teams and your team is picked to win the conference.

DistrictBaller · 10-04-2012, 11:11 AM

Andy Glockner(SI): https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/sta...19141587738624

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Wow, Saint Joe's was picked to WIN the A-10??? I was high on them, but that seems a bit aggressive.

https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/sta...21454234685440

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@JSWarno I'd have to really break it down, but I'd probably take either SLU or VCU ahead of St. Joe's.

It seems like there is a lot of skepticism from the national media regarding St. Joe's. That should serve as bulletin board material. It also seems like a lot of the national media think VCU is better than they're being picked. The Rams can use that as bulletin-board material.

This is going to be a lot of fun!

UMass87 · 10-04-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DistrictBaller

Andy Glockner(SI): https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/sta...19141587738624

It seems like there is a lot of skepticism from the national media regarding St. Joe's. That should serve as bulletin board material.

The national media is grossly underestimating the entire A-10 this year.

DistrictBaller · 10-04-2012, 11:41 AM

More from Andy Glockner of SportsIllustrated on VCU:

https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/sta...25767203921920

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The fact that VCU got 3 1st pl votes and none of their guys made 1st or 2nd team suggests that A-10 voters haven't seen VCU play enough.

https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/sta...26068594044930

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The Rams lost one starter from last season's very good team and added two top-100 freshmen, and have Shaka. Good luck.

https://twitter.com/AndyGlockner/sta...26550582460418

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There will be a couple nights where VCU won't get enough TOs or the 3 won't fall or size may hurt them, but they're good. Verrrry good.

urmite · 10-04-2012, 12:06 PM

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Richmond's conference SOS should be incredible. I don't think I have ever seen anything like that road schedule before. Hadn't looked at the schedule much yet. Swiping some road games could really be a huge RPI boost for the Spiders.

Hopefully statheads will be more involved in sorting out things like this where unbalanced schedules lead to huge home/road discrepancies and W/L records (and conference standings) are totally not the reflection of a team's quality.

Unfortunately, the schedule won't help the base RPI (# of home/away matters, which games are home/away doesn't).

But it does help SOS and may give us a few more chances at road top 50 wins.

SpiderInTheMixingBowl · 10-04-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SDW

Richmond's conference SOS should be incredible. I don't think I have ever seen anything like that road schedule before. Hadn't looked at the schedule much yet. Swiping some road games could really be a huge RPI boost for the Spiders.

Hopefully statheads will be more involved in sorting out things like this where unbalanced schedules lead to huge home/road discrepancies and W/L records (and conference standings) are totally not the reflection of a team's quality.

I think a win on the road at VCU counts the same as a win on the road at Fordham for RPI purposes sadly.

25% your record with (1.4 for road wins and 0.6 for home wins), 50 % your opponents' records (your opponents get 1.4 for their road wins here but where your game against them occurred does not weight this part), and 25% opponents' opponents' records (again the calculation of this uses 1.4 for road wins but is not impacted where the game against the original opponent was played).

What I wrote is admittedly a mess. But I think a correct mess.

DistrictBaller · 10-04-2012, 12:08 PM

That's correct. SpiderInTheMixingBowl nailed it.

urmite · 10-04-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderInTheMixingBowl

I think a win on the road at VCU counts the same as a win on the road at Fordham for RPI purposes sadly.

25% your record with (1.4 for road wins and 0.6 for home wins), 50 % your opponents' records (your opponents get 1.4 for their road wins here but where your game against them occurred does not weight this part), and 25% opponents' opponents' records (again the calculation of this uses 1.4 for road wins but is not impacted where the game against the original opponent was played).

What I wrote is admittedly a mess. But I think a correct mess.

Correct. If you play Kentucky & Southern, one at home & one on the road, and go 1-1 winning on the road, then your RPI will be the same no matter which team you beat on the road.

paulxu · 10-04-2012, 12:35 PM

I thought UMass was suppose to win the A10 this year?

SpiderDave19 · 10-04-2012, 12:47 PM

There you go again.

paulxu · 10-04-2012, 01:19 PM

Since my attempt at humor apparently fell short of expectations, I would note that the top 6 teams listed should provide a real dog fight to see who comes out on top of the A10 this year.

You could make a case for any of the 6 to emerge, and it's going to be a great season for our conference. I think St. Louis would have got the pick if not for their coaching change.

SpiderDave19 · 10-04-2012, 01:38 PM

I agree. SLU would have been the pick with Rick M. at the helm.

It seems the voters had a little bias towards returning A10 teams, while national media expects a bit more from the 2 newcomers.

Can't wait for the bloodbath to begin. Every night in league play should feature at least one really good game.

UMass87 · 10-04-2012, 01:52 PM

I think La Salle needs to be in that top conversation (wow...can't believe I wrote that). I would have chosen SLU as #1 over SJU had Majerus not gone down. Without Majerus I doubt they end up in the top 3 - too many other good teams.

SDW · 10-04-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderInTheMixingBowl

I think a win on the road at VCU counts the same as a win on the road at Fordham for RPI purposes sadly.

25% your record with (1.4 for road wins and 0.6 for home wins), 50 % your opponents' records (your opponents get 1.4 for their road wins here but where your game against them occurred does not weight this part), and 25% opponents' opponents' records (again the calculation of this uses 1.4 for road wins but is not impacted where the game against the original opponent was played).

What I wrote is admittedly a mess. But I think a correct mess.

Yes, I'm aware of the RPI calculation and how home/road wins/losses are adjusted. However, if in conference UR and Xavier were both to go 4-4 on the road, anyone looking blindly at Road/Neutral wins would not be getting the full benefit of information on who those road teams were. To say that the teams were equally as good on the road in conference would likely be an incorrect statement. Not all road wins are equal, unfortunately. I'm hoping that someone can figure out a way to accurately calculate a system where winning in a truly hostile, unlikely environment carries more weight than winning in an easier spot. I think Richmond's last CAA team was victim to this type of thing when they were one of only two teams to win at Mississippi State that year (the other was Florida by 1 point) but the win didn't carry the same weight it should have. Winning at Kansas carried a ton of weight for a bubble UR team in 2004, which was an obvious example, but I bet there are many more where wins in low-percentage win situations should be factored in but are not, they're treated as blind wins. Rose Hill = Cintas.

slufan13 · 10-04-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by UMass87

I think La Salle needs to be in that top conversation (wow...can't believe I wrote that). I would have chosen SLU as #1 over SJU had Majerus not gone down. Without Majerus I doubt they end up in the top 3 - too many other good teams.

too favorable of a schedule not to finish in the top 3

10-04-2012, 11:04 AM	#31 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 336 Rep Power: 8224	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn Phil Martelli must feel like he just got the kiss of death. Are these polls akin to being on the cover of Sports Illustrated and the seemingly bad luck that follows? Four players on the first three all-conference teams and your team is picked to win the conference.

10-04-2012, 12:08 PM	#37 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,126 Rep Power: 47196	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn That's correct. SpiderInTheMixingBowl nailed it. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

10-04-2012, 12:35 PM	#39 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,370 Rep Power: 309022	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn I thought UMass was suppose to win the A10 this year? __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

10-04-2012, 12:47 PM	#40 (permalink)
SpiderDave19 Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 912 Rep Power: 48590	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn There you go again.

10-04-2012, 01:19 PM	#41 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,370 Rep Power: 309022	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn Since my attempt at humor apparently fell short of expectations, I would note that the top 6 teams listed should provide a real dog fight to see who comes out on top of the A10 this year. You could make a case for any of the 6 to emerge, and it's going to be a great season for our conference. I think St. Louis would have got the pick if not for their coaching change. __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

10-04-2012, 01:38 PM	#42 (permalink)
SpiderDave19 Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 912 Rep Power: 48590	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn I agree. SLU would have been the pick with Rick M. at the helm. It seems the voters had a little bias towards returning A10 teams, while national media expects a bit more from the 2 newcomers. Can't wait for the bloodbath to begin. Every night in league play should feature at least one really good game.

10-04-2012, 01:52 PM	#43 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: A-10 Media Day today at Barclays Center in Brooklyn I think La Salle needs to be in that top conversation (wow...can't believe I wrote that). I would have chosen SLU as #1 over SJU had Majerus not gone down. Without Majerus I doubt they end up in the top 3 - too many other good teams.

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