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TheCobra · 10-06-2012, 09:10 PM

The fact that you think you were mad at WH for not speaking the "truth" when he didn't pick UMass number 1 is a decent indication that you are a homer. And by the way, your team is not on top. The season hasn't started yet.

PS KD > Chaz. Little guy has one speed. That's not being a homer that's just stating the truth and being true to myself, apparently.

RF1 · 10-06-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DukesDan

I'll repeat the same fact: Ferry beat Hurley 4 out of 4 times they have played each other.

Some Duqueane fans seems to really hang onto this. I guess it somehow comforts them. I hope however you do realize that Hurley was still trying to build a program at Wagner which was a train-wreck when he arrived and carried over into his first season. He quickly righted the ship in only his 2nd year at Wagner going 25-5 with a win at Pitt but two losses to LIU. It was also only his 2nd year as a college head coach. When Hurley went up against Ferry, Ferry had already established LIU and was in his 9th and 10th seasons at the school. Ferry won 27 and 25 games those two years. They were his best seasons ever as he had only one other winning season (2008-09 16-14) as a D1 head coach.

Career Records:

Ferry 10 seasons
150-149 .502

Hurley 2 seasons
38-23 .623

I myself don't have really high expectations for Dan Hurley and URI this season and meaningless prediction are of little concern. This year is all about setting a tone and laying the groundwork for the future. If Dan's recruiting is any indication, the future looks like it will get much better very soon.

UMass87 · 10-06-2012, 09:30 PM

Dillard: 13.3 points FG% 0.412 3FG% 0.325 FT% 0.827 A 6.0 S 1.4 R 2.7
Chaz:...16.9 points FG% 0.410 3FG% 0.419 FT% 0.788 A 6.2 S 2.2 R 4.4

The only thing Dillard is better at is being slower and shooting free throws.

I wish Chaz shot better from the line and would slow down sometimes but I wouldn't trade him for Dillard. Ever.

DistrictBaller · 10-06-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by uz2b-len

I'm not surprised you say that because as I read their prediction I thought, This is the first magazine prediction that actually makes sense. Maybe I'll buy a copy and remind myself what it feels like to read print on paper.

Seriously, there are a whole bunch of crappy preseason mags, but Blue Ribbon is not one of them.

That's one you'll be glad you bought if you want to read up on teams and get in-depth, well researched analysis by people who really know about each league.

TheCobra · 10-07-2012, 05:55 AM

87, I know you guys would never trade Chaz for Dillard, as I would never trade Dillard for Chaz. They are very different players. Chaz is more of a scorer, KD a true PG. I don't remember many games where Dillard was 2-12 like Chaz was at UD arena. When his shot isn't going, he ain't taking 12 of them.

SpiderDave19 · 10-07-2012, 07:06 AM

Dillard is very good. But Williams is better. Not surprised Dayton fans don't agree, their guy is good, and Williams played his worst game by far at Dayton last year. The fact that Williams has some big scoring games doesn't mean he isn't a a true PG. Williams seems to be a great leader, and he did average more assists and more steals than Dillard. Seems pretty point-guardy to me.

**FlyingElvis** · 10-07-2012, 08:06 AM

I guess it affects our thinking when we see Chaz come to UD and lay a complete egg in person. Dillard does have a slightly better A/TO ratio too (2.1 vs 1.8, I think). I would like Dillard to be able to shoot the 3 like Chaz did last year. I would like to see better defense from Dillard, which I think he is very capable of.

Chaz looked out-of-control for some stretches that I watched him last year.

UMass87 · 10-07-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

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Chaz looked out-of-control for some stretches that I watched him last year.

Absolutely. I wasn't kidding when I said I wish he'd slow down sometimes. The difference between his 2-point and 3-point fg% is indicative of a kid trying to do too much (and also being really, really short).

Bona Wolf for Pope · 10-07-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

I'm concerned with DukesDan being a homer for multiple reasons. I am a homer, but at least my team backs it up. I only display this homerism once or twice every few days on this board, which is fine. DukesDan, however, is constantly touting every single random Duquesne player and pumping sunshine in his Duquesne recruiting threads 5 times a day. This gets a little tiring. This isn't Xavier, or even Dayton, this is Duquesne. I could care less about the 1 star recruit they got, competing with the likes of Binghamton, Evansville, Mercer, and Charleston Southern. This is irrelevant. I don't care, and I'm not sure anyone else does either.

I never said that he's not allowed to like his team. He absolutely has that right. He can like his team all he wants, but he doesn't need to make 10 posts a day touting how great Duquesne is. He doesn't need to whine in threads like this. Whether Duquesne or URI finishes 15th doesn't matter, because fact is, they're finishing 15th. If my team were in the position that DukesDan team is, I would shut my mouth and eat all that humble pie. I did it for years and I do know how it feels. But now my team is on top and I can let people know it, so I do.

Which 5 posts per day and which Duquesne recruiting threads are so irking you? Are they near the threads that have earned you a board wide reputation as an unhinged lobotomy patient?

uz2b-len · 10-07-2012, 11:41 AM

Lobotomy prospect would be more like it.

DukesDan · 10-07-2012, 11:56 AM

I wish there was a Duquesne recruiting thread I could post in 5 times a day! Unfortunately there is not enough info about Duquesne recruiting to make it a valuable thread.

I also think it is interesting that you are criticizing me for posting about Duquesne and players I think will have good years even though the team is in a rebuilding year. Good fans post about their teams even when they are not predicted to be at the top of the standings. I have been a fairly consistent and valuable poster on this board for almost 4 years. You have popped into this community and have been a plague since you arrived. I am starting to worry you are becoming obsessed with me.

Finally, Isiaiah Watkins is a 3 star recruit and had offers from many top BCS schools across the nation. It was a big pick up for Jim Ferry and Duquesne.

Muddy Waters · 10-07-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UMass87

The only thing Dillard is better at is being slower and shooting free throws.

UMass87 - Chaz fouled out while trying to guard Kevin Dillard.

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Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

I guess it affects our thinking when we see Chaz come to UD and lay a complete egg in person.

Chaz looked out-of-control for some stretches that I watched him last year.

Dayton 76, UMass 43 (Yahoo! Box Score - February 25, 2012)

Code:

                MP   FG    FT    Reb  Ast  TO   PF  Points

Chaz Williams   27  2-12   5-6    2    3    2    5    11    

Kevin Dillard   29  3-8    8-10   4    7    1    3    14

**FlyingElvis** · 10-07-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DistrictBaller

1. Saint Louis
2. VCU
3. St. Joe's
4. Temple
5. UMass
6. Butler
7. Dayton
8. La Salle
9. Richmond
10. Xavier
11. St. Bonaventure
12. Charlotte
13. Rhode Island
14. George Washington
15. Fordham
16. Duquesne

I think I agree with the Blue Ribbon predictions more than any other list of rankings that I have seen. I would modify the top three though:

1. St. Joe's
2. VCU
3. Saint Louis
4. Temple
5. UMass
6. Butler
7. Dayton
8. La Salle
9. Richmond
10. Xavier
11. St. Bonaventure
12. Charlotte
13. Rhode Island
14. George Washington
15. Fordham
16. Duquesne

A10fan2 · 10-07-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCobra

. I don't remember many games where Dillard was 2-12 like Chaz was at UD arena. When his shot isn't going, he ain't taking 12 of them.

3-12
3-12
4-12
2-10
4-12

There are others but I think you get the point. Scorers always think there next shot is going in. I think both Williams and Dillard do what they think they need to do to help the team win.

TheCobra · 10-07-2012, 05:25 PM

WHere's 2-12?

10-06-2012, 09:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish The fact that you think you were mad at WH for not speaking the "truth" when he didn't pick UMass number 1 is a decent indication that you are a homer. And by the way, your team is not on top. The season hasn't started yet. PS KD > Chaz. Little guy has one speed. That's not being a homer that's just stating the truth and being true to myself, apparently.

10-06-2012, 09:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish Dillard: 13.3 points FG% 0.412 3FG% 0.325 FT% 0.827 A 6.0 S 1.4 R 2.7 Chaz:...16.9 points FG% 0.410 3FG% 0.419 FT% 0.788 A 6.2 S 2.2 R 4.4 The only thing Dillard is better at is being slower and shooting free throws. I wish Chaz shot better from the line and would slow down sometimes but I wouldn't trade him for Dillard. Ever.

10-07-2012, 05:55 AM	#20 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish 87, I know you guys would never trade Chaz for Dillard, as I would never trade Dillard for Chaz. They are very different players. Chaz is more of a scorer, KD a true PG. I don't remember many games where Dillard was 2-12 like Chaz was at UD arena. When his shot isn't going, he ain't taking 12 of them.

10-07-2012, 07:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
SpiderDave19 Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 912 Rep Power: 48590	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish Dillard is very good. But Williams is better. Not surprised Dayton fans don't agree, their guy is good, and Williams played his worst game by far at Dayton last year. The fact that Williams has some big scoring games doesn't mean he isn't a a true PG. Williams seems to be a great leader, and he did average more assists and more steals than Dillard. Seems pretty point-guardy to me.

10-07-2012, 08:06 AM	#22 (permalink)
FlyingElvis Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Memphis - Dayton - Vegas Posts: 2,407 Rep Power: 148977	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish I guess it affects our thinking when we see Chaz come to UD and lay a complete egg in person. Dillard does have a slightly better A/TO ratio too (2.1 vs 1.8, I think). I would like Dillard to be able to shoot the 3 like Chaz did last year. I would like to see better defense from Dillard, which I think he is very capable of. Chaz looked out-of-control for some stretches that I watched him last year. __________________ "US Bank Arena can't be that bad"

10-07-2012, 11:41 AM	#25 (permalink)
uz2b-len Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 828 Rep Power: 5048	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish Lobotomy prospect would be more like it.

10-07-2012, 11:56 AM	#26 (permalink)
DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish I wish there was a Duquesne recruiting thread I could post in 5 times a day! Unfortunately there is not enough info about Duquesne recruiting to make it a valuable thread. I also think it is interesting that you are criticizing me for posting about Duquesne and players I think will have good years even though the team is in a rebuilding year. Good fans post about their teams even when they are not predicted to be at the top of the standings. I have been a fairly consistent and valuable poster on this board for almost 4 years. You have popped into this community and have been a plague since you arrived. I am starting to worry you are becoming obsessed with me. Finally, Isiaiah Watkins is a 3 star recruit and had offers from many top BCS schools across the nation. It was a big pick up for Jim Ferry and Duquesne. __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

10-07-2012, 05:25 PM	#30 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Blue Ribbon A-10 Predicted Order of Finish WHere's 2-12?

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