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DarkFlyer · 10-25-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tman

WHAT!
How can anyone claim that this isn't a major loss for Dayton?

The team last year without Kav on the floor was a different team. And I don't mean in a good way.
And don't give me some crap about a freshmen and a scrimmage game.

This is a mighty blow.
This changes everything.
I thought this team would surprise everyone.
All bets are off.

At Dayton you can't lose a co-captain, starting senior center without really feeling it.
The Flyers were very poor last year defending the interior.
This isn't going to help.

Any thought of this team having a quality finish in the league and possible NCAA tourny invite, is greatly diminished.
DAMN!

Wow, really? Did you ever consider that the low post defense sucked last year because of Kavanaugh's limitations? He had 8 blocked shots in 30-some games.

Muddy Waters · 10-25-2012, 07:16 AM

Eight is not very good.

Atlantic 10 Conference 2011-12 Statistics (Atlantic 10 Conference)

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BLOCKED SHOTS
                                   BLOCKED
No Player                    Cl GP  SHOTS   Avg/G 

1. AIKEN, C.J.        - SJU  SO 34   120     3.5 
2. GARRETT, Darrius   - UR   SR 32   106     3.3 
3. BRISTOL, Kervin    - FOR     29    69     2.4 
4. NICHOLSON, Andrew  - SBU  SR 32    63     2.0 
5. OUTERBRIDGE, Orion - URI  SR 31    57     1.8 
6. KANACEVIC, Halil   - SJU  SO 34    58     1.7 
7. GASTON, Chris      - FOR     28    46     1.6 
8. EDWARDS, Jabari    - GW      31    48     1.5 
9. PUTNEY, Raphiael   - UM   SO 36    51     1.4 
10. MARHOLD, Andre    - DUQ  JR 29    40     1.4

Flyer75 · 10-25-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Knobby

You know Dave, I generally like your perspective on all things A-10. I think you bring a level of sanity to offset much of the insanity that exists on this board.

My general persona is usually not vidictive and I am not normally a see I told you so person. I can usually get along with just about anyone, but some of the crap that has been thrown out by "Crazy Dayton Fan #1" does warrant a level response. This is a simple case of people living in glass houses. You would have thought that Dez perfomred a public rape televised on national TV the way it was dissected, hashed and rehashed, and rehashed some more. Now a Dayton player gets removed from the team and it's "oh no don't talk about it".

Once again - it is strangely quiet from the basement offices in downtown Dayton now that the other shoe has dropped.....

The lack of personal responsibility on this thread (and the one way street of criticism) says a lot about the biggest instigator and troll that is allowed to post on this forum.

All I can say is Whattayaknow - I guess things happen at Dayton too...... Shocking!

WTH are you blabbering about? You are reading what you want to read and see. Personal responsibility? WTF? Who here is defending Kavs? From reading multiple Dayton boards there is much more of a sense of good riddance (right or wrong) then there was for Wells. I guess everyone has there delusions Knobby....this is yours.

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Flyer75 · 10-25-2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by UMass87

I think the fact that Dayton fans were very happy to talk explicitly about the Wells incident but in veiled terms about this incident speaks volumes. Also notice how limited the Xavier posting is. My personal opinion, and I think Muddy can get my back here, is that this won't really be a significant loss for Dayton because Dillard will elevate the play of his young teammates sufficiently to overcome the loss.

Again...what do you want us to say? Fact is, Wells is a much bigger name then Kavs...I would hope you wouldn't dispute that. It would be like Dillard getting kicked off of UD. I can say that 90% of UD fans that post here never personally attacked Wells and we questioned XU decision to expel. Amazing how quickly revisionist history takes over here. Don't confuse the Wells/Kavs situations with Lyons being asked to move on and ineligible players and an on court fist fight. Apples to oranges

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Knobby · 10-25-2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

WTH are you blabbering about? You are reading what you want to read and see. Personal responsibility? WTF? Who here is defending Kavs? From reading multiple Dayton boards there is much more of a sense of good riddance (right or wrong) then there was for Wells. I guess everyone has there delusions Knobby....this is yours.

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You know exactly what I am talking about. Like it or not you are a relative of the troll, and the volumes of crap spewed on Mack and X over the entire Wells event may as well been an assault. Now the other shoe has dropped and I hear a lot of spin, alot of silence, and a lot of excuses. I don't care if Kav was the 15th man on the roster - he clearly had/has some issues. The general inferrence that "Dayton is above all of that" when the Dez thing happened is the biggest load of schidt I have ever seen. The Sweatervests blow this off as a we didn't need him anyways - when the bottom line is you had someone with questionable charachter/ethics etc... IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE - EVEN DAYTON!

Oh I forgot - this can be blamed on your former underachieving coach - I guess it's Ok.....

paulxu · 10-25-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

Again...what do you want us to say?

Don't confuse the Wells/Kavs situations with Lyons being asked to move on and ineligible players and an on court fist fight. Apples to oranges

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Nobody is asking for UD fans to beat up on UD's actions. It would have been nice to have seen less attack, and a more reasonable approach on how XU handled Dez. That's the point.

What does Lyons have to do with it? Does that make Dayton's NCAA probation a pear?

Knobby · 10-25-2012, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFlyer

Wow, really? Did you ever consider that the low post defense sucked last year because of Kavanaugh's limitations? He had 8 blocked shots in 30-some games.

WOW - no wonder you lost so many games - you were playing 4 on 5 most of the time I guess......

Flyer75 · 10-25-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Knobby

You know exactly what I am talking about. Like it or not you are a relative of the troll, and the volumes of crap spewed on Mack and X over the entire Wells event may as well been an assault. Now the other shoe has dropped and I hear a lot of spin, alot of silence, and a lot of excuses. I don't care if Kav was the 15th man on the roster - he clearly had/has some issues. The general inferrence that "Dayton is above all of that" when the Dez thing happened is the biggest load of schidt I have ever seen. The Sweatervests blow this off as a we didn't need him anyways - when the bottom line is you had someone with questionable charachter/ethics etc... IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE - EVEN DAYTON!

Oh I forgot - this can be blamed on your former underachieving coach - I guess it's Ok.....

What spin? Give examples with quotes delusional old man.

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Flyer75 · 10-25-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Nobody is asking for UD fans to beat up on UD's actions. It would have been nice to have seen less attack, and a more reasonable approach on how XU handled Dez. That's the point.

What does Lyons have to do with it? Does that make Dayton's NCAA probation a pear?

Paul, I get your point....BUT the consensus amongst X fans on the internet was to attack XU for how it was handled....it wasn't some conspiracy theory made up by delusional UD fans as much as a few here want that to be the case....your own Mudflap here lost his mind over how X handled it.

You had the head DA get all over the airwaves and attack XU and defend Wells.
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bprichard · 10-25-2012, 08:11 AM

I'm staying consistent on my message: good riddance to a man (not a player) who was a risk to women on campus. I don't have any definitive information on the issue, but, in this case, I trust the administration. I don't care at all how it affects next season. I'm comfortable with how X handled Dez, and I'm comfortable with how Dayton handled this one.

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DarkFlyer · 10-25-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Knobby

WOW - no wonder you lost so many games - you were playing 4 on 5 most of the time I guess......

WTF are you talking about? Where did I say that?

Maybe I need to type slower and more clearly so you understand: Kavanaugh . . .was . . . not . . . a . . . good . . .defender.

**xu95** · 10-25-2012, 09:13 AM

Bottom line is administrations need to do what they think is in the best interest of their schools. They answer to a board of trustees who I am sure put the reputation of their university in front of wins by the basketball team.

I personally saw nothing wrong with Xavier expelling Dez Wells even though the prosecutor didn't file and I don't see anything wrong with Dayton doing the same thing.

I do think it is funny that there isn't 17 different threads about this, but in time maybe there will be. There are bad posters on both sides of the aisle.

Knobby · 10-25-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFlyer

WTF are you talking about? Where did I say that?

Maybe I need to type slower and more clearly so you understand: Kavanaugh . . .was . . . not . . . a . . . good . . .defender.

You are still not getting it are you?

Let me paraphrase.... The Dez thread is dominated with Dayton posters saying Mack is recruiting a bunch of thugs, and he is sitting on an unethical house of cards .....

Apparently Kav (a Dayton player the last time I checked) has some "similar" issues as Dez and the reply from the Dayton camp is - we didn't need him anyways, he only has 8 block shots as a center... blah blah blah.... Kinda reminds me of the post NIT loss excuses... the NIT bid was a let down, they really didn't want to be ther anyways..... Oh yea, I forgot the bad cheese steak excuse....

In the end you are probably right - the loss of Wells versus the loss of Kav is apples and oranges as X has far superior players so I understand the impact difference, but you just lost a senior starter - unless you are saying that your team just sucks, you actually did lose something on your roster... Right?

paulxu · 10-25-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

You had the head DA get all over the airwaves and attack XU and defend Wells.
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That's the problem really. I don't know about a "consensus" of X fans thinking the university should have handled it differently. Most reasonable people understood the situation. But the prosecutor apparantly doesn't understand the difference between a student code of conduct and criminal conduct. I think he's a UC graduate and spouting off helped nobody.

Knobby's points are well taken. The majority sentiment regarding X since the fight has been somehow that we encourage bad behavior; in recruiting, how our coach manages the team, how the school responds. As an alumnus, I disagree (as you might suspect) with those characterizations. I don't think you see the same from us when you have a very similar situation with Kavanaugh. No one is accusing Gregory/Miller of that, or accusing your school of throwing Kavanugh under the bus, or saying Miller is driving the program into the river, etc.

tman · 10-25-2012, 10:12 AM

People rant about the X/UD ranting all the time here.
And I understand it can get old.
But I find it so damn interesting that these two schools are so intertwined that nothing can escape the black hole created here in southwest Ohio.

I guess X wins this one.
They were the first to throw a sexual preditor off the team this year.
You gotta give em credit.

10-25-2012, 07:16 AM	#47 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,235 Rep Power: 64500	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year Eight is not very good. Atlantic 10 Conference 2011-12 Statistics (Atlantic 10 Conference) Code: BLOCKED SHOTS BLOCKED No Player Cl GP SHOTS Avg/G 1. AIKEN, C.J. - SJU SO 34 120 3.5 2. GARRETT, Darrius - UR SR 32 106 3.3 3. BRISTOL, Kervin - FOR 29 69 2.4 4. NICHOLSON, Andrew - SBU SR 32 63 2.0 5. OUTERBRIDGE, Orion - URI SR 31 57 1.8 6. KANACEVIC, Halil - SJU SO 34 58 1.7 7. GASTON, Chris - FOR 28 46 1.6 8. EDWARDS, Jabari - GW 31 48 1.5 9. PUTNEY, Raphiael - UM SO 36 51 1.4 10. MARHOLD, Andre - DUQ JR 29 40 1.4 __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier

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xu95 Community Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cincinnati Age: 40 Posts: 3,576 Rep Power: 332174	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year Bottom line is administrations need to do what they think is in the best interest of their schools. They answer to a board of trustees who I am sure put the reputation of their university in front of wins by the basketball team. I personally saw nothing wrong with Xavier expelling Dez Wells even though the prosecutor didn't file and I don't see anything wrong with Dayton doing the same thing. I do think it is funny that there isn't 17 different threads about this, but in time maybe there will be. There are bad posters on both sides of the aisle.

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tman Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 759 Rep Power: 0	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year People rant about the X/UD ranting all the time here. And I understand it can get old. But I find it so damn interesting that these two schools are so intertwined that nothing can escape the black hole created here in southwest Ohio. I guess X wins this one. They were the first to throw a sexual preditor off the team this year. You gotta give em credit.

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10-25-2012, 08:11 AM	#55 (permalink)
bprichard Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Location: Shanghai, China Age: 32 Posts: 1,053 Rep Power: 192540	I'm staying consistent on my message: good riddance to a man (not a player) who was a risk to women on campus. I don't have any definitive information on the issue, but, in this case, I trust the administration. I don't care at all how it affects next season. I'm comfortable with how X handled Dez, and I'm comfortable with how Dayton handled this one. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using VerticalSports.Com App

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