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njlsufan · 10-25-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tman

People rant about the X/UD ranting all the time here.
And I understand it can get old.
But I find it so damn interesting that these two schools are so intertwined that nothing can escape the black hole created here in southwest Ohio.

I guess X wins this one.
They were the first to throw a sexual preditor off the team this year.
You gotta give em credit.

I'm sure your comment about X wnning this one was tongue in cheek, but I think the point most people are making about the manic troll UD posters (we all know who they are) was they should have just kept their mouths shut about the Wells situation instead of flaming away. Now Dayton has the same exact situation and those chickensh*t posters are avoiding flaming Kavanaugh and the administration. What a bunch of hypocrites.

DarkFlyer · 10-25-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Knobby

You are still not getting it are you?

Let me paraphrase.... The Dez thread is dominated with Dayton posters saying Mack is recruiting a bunch of thugs, and he is sitting on an unethical house of cards .....

Apparently Kav (a Dayton player the last time I checked) has some "similar" issues as Dez and the reply from the Dayton camp is - we didn't need him anyways, he only has 8 block shots as a center... blah blah blah.... Kinda reminds me of the post NIT loss excuses... the NIT bid was a let down, they really didn't want to be ther anyways..... Oh yea, I forgot the bad cheese steak excuse....

In the end you are probably right - the loss of Wells versus the loss of Kav is apples and oranges as X has far superior players so I understand the impact difference, but you just lost a senior starter - unless you are saying that your team just sucks, you actually did lose something on your roster... Right?

See, I made no comparison to the Xavier-Dez Wells situation and didn't post a single message in the Wells thread. So your extrapolation of what I meant but didn't say is way off base.

As for the rest of your logic, that Xavier has better players and Dayton sucks and excuses, etc. really doesn't deserve a response. Your bait isn't that attractive, but I will say I am offering the opposite of excuses. Given the composition of the team, I am asserting that Kavanaugh's production for this year's team can and should be filled in adequately by the players we have. No excuses, just win.

Schickrateez · 10-25-2012, 10:50 AM

I guess I will have to be the one who goes right at this thing, no more dancing around the edges. Dayton is an absolute embarrassment to the A-10. The street thugs and criminals they recruit is hurting the image of the league. First, they are suspended by the NCAA for cheating. They then bring in that thug London Warren who gets caught with prostitutes. They throw punches at Xavier players during the game. Next is the classless thug known as Kavanaugh who stalks UD's campus preying on women. Plus many, many other incidents that I am sure UD administration has covered up. UD has sold their soul for a tiny (and I do mean TINY) bit of success on the basketball court. Brian Gregory and Archie Miller are nothing more then gang leaders unleashing their thugs upon the world. Its hard to believe that Dayton has come to this. I can't believe the fans and supporters of that university stand by and watch this happen. I strongly suggest Dayton inflict a 2 year suspension on their basketball team so that the coaches, players, fans, alumni, and students can focus on being good people first.

Is this all starting to sound familiar?

AdamtheFlyer · 10-25-2012, 11:11 AM

People see "10 and 5" and automatically assume a player makes a huge impact. The truth is that Kavanaugh was not a huge impact player. He was a quality role player who had a major impact on only a few games. Defensively he was ok, but a liability against athletic bigs. Offensively he had some skill, but many of his points were finishing plays creating by Kevin Dillard.

There are players on the team who can fill the role Kavanaugh played. Don't get caught up in the "starting senior captain" hype.

The biggest mistake people can make is assuming what you saw last year would happen this year. That's not inherently true. Odds are Kavanaugh himself would have had a smaller role as a senior than he did as a junior. The team is built differently. When Benson got hurt, this team had 2 low post players, and they couldn't play together because they both foul a ton. This year, they had 5 low post players. Now they have 4. The added depth would have meant a smaller role.

The main thing that needs to be replaced is Kavanaugh's offensive rebounding. That was by far his best attribute on the floor. Now, that sounds like a huge thing on the surface, but we're really talking about 1 offensive rebound per 40 minutes over what an average player can give. Call me crazy, but I think collectively the other bigs can get that board, perhaps even more.

I liked Kavanaugh as a player. I defended his ability when he couldn't get off Gregory's bench, long before anyone else but his mother and Jim Staley defended him. But I'm not going to pretend he was more than he was. His was probably the 5th or 6th most important role on the team. This is not a "major" loss on the floor.

tman · 10-25-2012, 11:15 AM

Both parties (x/ud) are filled with phony ass over educated morons that think their shiit don't stink.

Neither party is willing to accept that both schools are average at best.
And thats a good thing.
One should take pride.
Rah rah shish boom bah

Ive said that the current coach @ x will sail that program directly into the Ohio River.
I say that not because I hate x.
But rather I feel it to be true.

I was laughed at.
Called names.
My feelings were hurt.
Well looks who's laughing now?

Its happening just as I said it would.
You won't recognize this program (X) in three years.

I am tman and I approve of this message

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tman · 10-25-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

People see "10 and 5" and automatically assume a player makes a huge impact. The truth is that Kavanaugh was not a huge impact player. He was a quality role player who had a major impact on only a few games. Defensively he was ok, but a liability against athletic bigs. Offensively he had some skill, but many of his points were finishing plays creating by Kevin Dillard.

There are players on the team who can fill the role Kavanaugh played. Don't get caught up in the "starting senior captain" hype.

The biggest mistake people can make is assuming what you saw last year would happen this year. That's not inherently true. Odds are Kavanaugh himself would have had a smaller role as a senior than he did as a junior. The team is built differently. When Benson got hurt, this team had 2 low post players, and they couldn't play together because they both foul a ton. This year, they had 5 low post players. Now they have 4. The added depth would have meant a smaller role.

The main thing that needs to be replaced is Kavanaugh's offensive rebounding. That was by far his best attribute on the floor. Now, that sounds like a huge thing on the surface, but we're really talking about 1 offensive rebound per 40 minutes over what an average player can give. Call me crazy, but I think collectively the other bigs can get that board, perhaps even more.

I liked Kavanaugh as a player. I defended his ability when he couldn't get off Gregory's bench, long before anyone else but his mother and Jim Staley defended him. But I'm not going to pretend he was more than he was. His was probably the 5th or 6th most important role on the team. This is not a "major" loss on the floor.

You gotta be kidding me.
I strongly disagree with this post.
Dayton would not have won half the games they won without Kav.
They were short in the post to begin with.
Kav had good numbers but numbers don't tell the entire story.

All you Kurt Heulsman enthusiast I had to live with for four years, who thought he was the greatest thing since Bill Uhl Sr. can't tell me that he was any better than what we could have seen from Kav this year.
In fact, Kav is superior to him offensively.

This hurts and this hurts bad.
Depth is no longer a friend to the Flyers in the post.
Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt.

I am tman and I------oh the hell with it!

Bona Wolf for Pope · 10-25-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tman

I was laughed at.
Called names.
My feelings were hurt.
Well looks who's laughing now?

You accidentally posted from your junior high poetry journal.

Bill Russell · 10-25-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bona Wolf for Pope

You accidentally posted from your junior high poetry journal.

I was going to post the same thing, Pope. tman is on a roll here and the structure of his posts reminds me of contemporary Dayton basketball poetry. He makes some good points here, though. I understand where AdamTheFlyer is coming from, too, but can't overlook the loss of an experienced low post player. Kavanaugh would have made a big difference as a senior.

Gormin71 · 10-25-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

We endured a lot of crap after Dez; under the bus, questions of character etc. Including these notes:

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Originally Posted by Gormin71

Dayton hasn't ever had to expel a basketball player from the school.

Since Kavanaugh wasn't indicted, just like Wells, we might say the same thing you did about X, that Dayton sucks for throwing him out. But you don't see that from any of us. Both schools have an honor code which worked in these situations...for better or worse.

The comment you quoted above, was by me, and was a direct response to your "relative", that stated that no Xavier player has been reprimanded for having a hooker. Of course, you don't want to include that in your response, because it would take away from your diatribe.

Of course, Kavanaugh wasn't "expelled", he was "suspended", but for all intents and purposes, he was expelled. Even though he can reapply for admission in May of 2013, I doubt either that he will, or that he would be accepted.

Now, my opinion, good for Dayton to kick him out for violating the University Code of Conduct.

uz2b-len · 10-25-2012, 12:06 PM

Couple of differences here. Firstly, we don't have the DA mouthing off inciting the populace. Secondly, we know absolutely nothing about Kavanaugh's infraction. Some people are intimating.... But there's nothing solid. He could have cheated on an exam. He could have stolen answers to an exam. He could have been hanging out with someone who hacked into the administration computer. He could have been selling pot and the school decided not to prosecute. There's lots of possibilities. By the way, did he already have a red shirt year or could he come back a la Kwamain Mitchell?

A10fan2 · 10-25-2012, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tman

Ive said that the current coach @ x will sail that program directly into the Ohio River.
I say that not because I hate x.
But rather I feel it to be true.

I was laughed at.
Called names.
My feelings were hurt.
Well looks who's laughing now?

Its happening just as I said it would.
You won't recognize this program (X) in three years.

.

HHHHHAAAAAAAAA
Still laughing at you. Your delusion rivals muddies. 2 sweet 16 and three straight NCAA's This year MAY be testing but Mack and Xavier are not falling back into Dayton territory.

BTW, what does this have to do with clownboy?

tman · 10-25-2012, 01:03 PM

News from the Hill (ud) and it is very surprising news indeed.
This is not a joke.

Apparently the U has left the door open for Kav to return next season.
A protocol is set in place and includes a ratification vote from the players.

I was certain we had seen the last of Kav but I have heard from a person in the know that it is possible for Kav to return to school and the team next season.

The chances of said event is unclear but the U has left the door open.

Again, this is not me trying to be funny but rather from someone in the administration themselves.

Flyer75 · 10-25-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by uz2b-len

Couple of differences here. Firstly, we don't have the DA mouthing off inciting the populace. Secondly, we know absolutely nothing about Kavanaugh's infraction. Some people are intimating.... But there's nothing solid. He could have cheated on an exam. He could have stolen answers to an exam. He could have been hanging out with someone who hacked into the administration computer. He could have been selling pot and the school decided not to prosecute. There's lots of possibilities. By the way, did he already have a red shirt year or could he come back a la Kwamain Mitchell?

And that's a good point....again, X fans point to the fact that UD fans were all over the Wells situation making comments. That story just wouldnt die for various reasons....none of them having to do with "delusional" UD fans. You had two full days of radio coverage that included a live interview with Bill Cunningham and Deters. You had a release of the full transcripts of interview and court proceedings. We've had none of that with Kavs. And I shouldn't have to note that Wells was X lone returning player that was viewed as an outside POY candidate in the A10.

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TheCobra · 10-25-2012, 06:00 PM

Dayton fans cannot win for losing on this board.

How did you want Dayton fans to react to this news? I think UD fans have had a mixed reaction of good riddance and disappointment. The spin machine has not been turning. No one is denying this happened or acting like it couldn't happen at UD. Someone please respond with how UD fans could have reacted more appropriately to this news on a basketball message board.

I live in Queens, NY. It is great. But, sometimes, I can't get over how up their own asses New Yorkers are. For example, after the Atlanta Braves - STL Cardinals infield fly rule playoff game, every sports talk radio show in the city - no less than 8 talking heads - said something along the lines of, "Look at ATL fans, throwing trash on the field like the classless people that they are. You know, you KNOW, if that happened at Yankee stadium or Citi Field the national media would be all over us!"

This is just like the Xavier fan reaction that I am reading here. Its not enough to criticize the rival for their behavior (throwing the trash (ATL), having a student commit serious transgressions (UD)), they have to also point out that, if the tables were reversed, their rival would be (or has) been even harsher to them. In other words, they have to make it about them.

This isn't about Xavier. This is about UD. Criticize UD if you want, criticize Kavanaugh if you want, yuck it up for the fact that we now have a weaker team if you want. But it doesn't have anything to do with you.

When Dez Wells got in trouble, UD fans talked about how it would affect Xavier. Is that inappropriate? I admit I was thrilled to see Dez go, as I was when Lyons bolted. Isn't that what a rivalry is about? And I don't give a shit if they are thugs. I, and most UD fans, discussed the issue as to how it would affect X on the basketball court and never claimed to have some holy program.

What UD fans definitely didnt say was, "God Xavier fans, if this happened to us, you guys would be all over us." No, we said "holy shit sucks for Xavier." And it DID suck for Xavier, so I don't see why that is inappropriate. Just like this Kavanaugh situation sucks for UD. But if Xavier fans dont think they are being just as trollish as UD fans were, they are sorely mistaken.

paulxu · 10-25-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

No one is accusing Gregory/Miller of that, or accusing your school of throwing Kavanugh under the bus,

Let me correct the post above. Someone is in fact doing that:

Quote:

The family of Dayton senior center Matt Kavanaugh, who was suspended from school for a year, released a statement today:

“We are deeply disappointed by the University of Dayton’s decision to suspend Matthew for the remainder of this academic year and strongly maintain that he did not violate the University’s Standards of Behavior and Code of Conduct.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...gh_famil.html/

10-25-2012, 10:50 AM	#63 (permalink)
Schickrateez Rookie Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 3005	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year I guess I will have to be the one who goes right at this thing, no more dancing around the edges. Dayton is an absolute embarrassment to the A-10. The street thugs and criminals they recruit is hurting the image of the league. First, they are suspended by the NCAA for cheating. They then bring in that thug London Warren who gets caught with prostitutes. They throw punches at Xavier players during the game. Next is the classless thug known as Kavanaugh who stalks UD's campus preying on women. Plus many, many other incidents that I am sure UD administration has covered up. UD has sold their soul for a tiny (and I do mean TINY) bit of success on the basketball court. Brian Gregory and Archie Miller are nothing more then gang leaders unleashing their thugs upon the world. Its hard to believe that Dayton has come to this. I can't believe the fans and supporters of that university stand by and watch this happen. I strongly suggest Dayton inflict a 2 year suspension on their basketball team so that the coaches, players, fans, alumni, and students can focus on being good people first. Is this all starting to sound familiar?

10-25-2012, 11:11 AM	#64 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year People see "10 and 5" and automatically assume a player makes a huge impact. The truth is that Kavanaugh was not a huge impact player. He was a quality role player who had a major impact on only a few games. Defensively he was ok, but a liability against athletic bigs. Offensively he had some skill, but many of his points were finishing plays creating by Kevin Dillard. There are players on the team who can fill the role Kavanaugh played. Don't get caught up in the "starting senior captain" hype. The biggest mistake people can make is assuming what you saw last year would happen this year. That's not inherently true. Odds are Kavanaugh himself would have had a smaller role as a senior than he did as a junior. The team is built differently. When Benson got hurt, this team had 2 low post players, and they couldn't play together because they both foul a ton. This year, they had 5 low post players. Now they have 4. The added depth would have meant a smaller role. The main thing that needs to be replaced is Kavanaugh's offensive rebounding. That was by far his best attribute on the floor. Now, that sounds like a huge thing on the surface, but we're really talking about 1 offensive rebound per 40 minutes over what an average player can give. Call me crazy, but I think collectively the other bigs can get that board, perhaps even more. I liked Kavanaugh as a player. I defended his ability when he couldn't get off Gregory's bench, long before anyone else but his mother and Jim Staley defended him. But I'm not going to pretend he was more than he was. His was probably the 5th or 6th most important role on the team. This is not a "major" loss on the floor. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

10-25-2012, 11:15 AM	#65 (permalink)
tman Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 759 Rep Power: 0	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year Both parties (x/ud) are filled with phony ass over educated morons that think their shiit don't stink. Neither party is willing to accept that both schools are average at best. And thats a good thing. One should take pride. Rah rah shish boom bah Ive said that the current coach @ x will sail that program directly into the Ohio River. I say that not because I hate x. But rather I feel it to be true. I was laughed at. Called names. My feelings were hurt. Well looks who's laughing now? Its happening just as I said it would. You won't recognize this program (X) in three years. I am tman and I approve of this message . Last edited by tman; 10-25-2012 at 11:49 AM.

10-25-2012, 12:06 PM	#70 (permalink)
uz2b-len Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 828 Rep Power: 5048	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year Couple of differences here. Firstly, we don't have the DA mouthing off inciting the populace. Secondly, we know absolutely nothing about Kavanaugh's infraction. Some people are intimating.... But there's nothing solid. He could have cheated on an exam. He could have stolen answers to an exam. He could have been hanging out with someone who hacked into the administration computer. He could have been selling pot and the school decided not to prosecute. There's lots of possibilities. By the way, did he already have a red shirt year or could he come back a la Kwamain Mitchell?

10-25-2012, 01:03 PM	#72 (permalink)
tman Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 759 Rep Power: 0	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year News from the Hill (ud) and it is very surprising news indeed. This is not a joke. Apparently the U has left the door open for Kav to return next season. A protocol is set in place and includes a ratification vote from the players. I was certain we had seen the last of Kav but I have heard from a person in the know that it is possible for Kav to return to school and the team next season. The chances of said event is unclear but the U has left the door open. Again, this is not me trying to be funny but rather from someone in the administration themselves.

10-25-2012, 06:00 PM	#74 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for year Dayton fans cannot win for losing on this board. How did you want Dayton fans to react to this news? I think UD fans have had a mixed reaction of good riddance and disappointment. The spin machine has not been turning. No one is denying this happened or acting like it couldn't happen at UD. Someone please respond with how UD fans could have reacted more appropriately to this news on a basketball message board. I live in Queens, NY. It is great. But, sometimes, I can't get over how up their own asses New Yorkers are. For example, after the Atlanta Braves - STL Cardinals infield fly rule playoff game, every sports talk radio show in the city - no less than 8 talking heads - said something along the lines of, "Look at ATL fans, throwing trash on the field like the classless people that they are. You know, you KNOW, if that happened at Yankee stadium or Citi Field the national media would be all over us!" This is just like the Xavier fan reaction that I am reading here. Its not enough to criticize the rival for their behavior (throwing the trash (ATL), having a student commit serious transgressions (UD)), they have to also point out that, if the tables were reversed, their rival would be (or has) been even harsher to them. In other words, they have to make it about them. This isn't about Xavier. This is about UD. Criticize UD if you want, criticize Kavanaugh if you want, yuck it up for the fact that we now have a weaker team if you want. But it doesn't have anything to do with you. When Dez Wells got in trouble, UD fans talked about how it would affect Xavier. Is that inappropriate? I admit I was thrilled to see Dez go, as I was when Lyons bolted. Isn't that what a rivalry is about? And I don't give a shit if they are thugs. I, and most UD fans, discussed the issue as to how it would affect X on the basketball court and never claimed to have some holy program. What UD fans definitely didnt say was, "God Xavier fans, if this happened to us, you guys would be all over us." No, we said "holy shit sucks for Xavier." And it DID suck for Xavier, so I don't see why that is inappropriate. Just like this Kavanaugh situation sucks for UD. But if Xavier fans dont think they are being just as trollish as UD fans were, they are sorely mistaken.

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