DistrictBaller

The first AP Top 25 poll comes out later today. I figured we could use a thread like this to discuss the top 25 as it comes out over the course of the season. Hopefully the discussion will be centered around several A-10 teams who make appearances as the season progresses.

In checking out some of the voters in the AP poll who made their ballots public, Saint Louis seems to be the one A-10 school that shows up the most. VCU also shows up but not as often.

If I had to guess I'd say Saint Louis will come in at the back end of the top 25 and VCU will have a good number of votes but in the 'Receiving Votes' section.

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Knobby

Good guess - I bet St Joes gets a vote or two as well. I don't think the AP will be as high on Butler and other services are.

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DistrictBaller

According to Ben Weixlmann of Scout.com

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DistrictBaller

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2012/10...ason-ap-top-25


1. Indiana(43) 27-9 1,592 16
2. Louisville(20)30-10 1,568 17
3. Kentucky(2) 38-2 1,453 1
4. Ohio St. 31-8 1,292 7
5. Michigan 24-10 1,290 13
6. NC State 24-13 1,270 —
7. Kansas 32-7 1,210 6
8. Duke 27-7 1,094 8
9. Syracuse 34-3 1,062 2
10.Florida 26-11 936 25
11.UNC 32-6 904 4
12.Arizona 23-12 902 —
13.UCLA 19-14 840 —
14.Michigan St. 29-8 789 5
15.Missouri 30-5 664 3
16.Creighton 29-6 622 19
17.Memphis 26-9 539 —
18.UNLV 26-9 488 23
19.Baylor 30-8 486 9
20.San Diego St. 26-8 463 22
21.Gonzaga 26-7 384 —
22.Notre Dame 22-12 297 —
23.Wisconsin 26-10 285 14
24.Cincinnati 26-11 120 —
25.Florida St. 25-10 101 10

Others receiving votes: Murray St. 59, VCU 58, Saint Louis 46, Texas 46, Minnesota 40, Butler 33, Pittsburgh 32, Saint Joseph’s 25, Marquette 23, Tennessee 15, Oklahoma St. 14, Kansas St. 12, Georgetown 9, New Mexico 9, Ohio 9, Miami 8, Saint Mary’s (Cal) 6, West Virginia 6, Davidson 5, Drexel 5, N. Iowa 5, Valparaiso 3, Lehigh 2, Stanford 2, Colorado St. 1, Oral Roberts 1.

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"We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack."
- VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

JD Hoops

I find it interesting that there seems to be alot of A-10 squads stack up just outside the Top 25, but none in a conference that certainly has increased its quality in the off season breaking the Top 25. The exclusion of Temple in the discussion is also interesting, but thats fine with me as I will take them more times than not this season to win games betting against those who only look at rankings. The bottleneck outside the Top25 may be meaningful or not I'm not sure but I wonder if it speaks to the "experts" not really valuing the A-10 as highly as they should. Come January 1st, I think the list looks quite different!

Muddy Waters

AP Poll - Monday, November 12, 2012

Others Receiving Votes: VCU 75, Murray St. 64, Minnesota 58, Pittsburgh 36, Saint Louis 32, St. Joseph's 30, Butler 22, Texas 20, Marquette 18, Tennessee 18, Kansas State 12, Miami (FL) 9, St. Mary's 8, New Mexico 7, West Virginia 7, Florida State 7, Ohio 6, Alabama 5, Stanford 4, Northern Iowa 4, Davidson 4, Georgetown 1, Maryland 1

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Since then . . .

• 7-point favorite VCU lost at home to Wichita State by 2 points, 53-51.

• 14½-point favorite Saint Louis lost at home to Santa Clara by 12 points, 74-62.

• St. Joseph's (1-0) plays AP # 20 Notre Dame tomorrow night at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

• 4-point favorite Butler lost at Xavier by 15 points, 62-47.

Those of you who think that 'A10 Suck Factor' losses are pointless or irrelevant should check next Monday's AP Poll.

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MudFlap

"X ranked 9th in the pre-season A-10 poll, that's just silly" - #32 Butler coach Brad Stevens.

UMass87

Nobody thinks the A10SF losses are pointless. It's the thread about them that people think is pointless.

Muddy Waters

AP Poll - Monday, November 19, 2012

Others Receiving Votes: Minnesota 93, Wisconsin 60, Pittsburgh 43, Notre Dame 40, Texas 25, St. Joseph's 24, Florida St. 15, Wichita St. 13, Marquette 13, Alabama 13, St. Mary's 9, Ohio 7, Xavier 7, Kansas St. 7, New Mexico 6, Bucknell 5, Murray St. 4, Tennessee 2, Northern Iowa 2, Maryland 1

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xu1990

Think it is a little crazy, but never thought I would see Xavier getting even a single vote at any point this season.

Butler looking much better today, maybe that win will look better down the road

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Muddy Waters

I also appreciated the humor in the latest AP Poll results.



If Xavier loses to Drexel or St. Mary's, the Musketeers will 'advance' to the Losers' Bracket, and likely face Rice or Drake in their third game of the Anaheim Classic.

I would expect to see California play Drexel or St. Mary's in the Championship Game.

It will be interesting to see if Xavier gets any AP Poll votes next Monday.

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A10fan2

Or if Xavier makes it thru to play Calif and wins, it will be interesting to see if they break into the TOP25 AGAIN.

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Muddy's from 2009

He has since made the same "prediction" this year. CLASSIC

paulxu

FTFY

I appreciated the humor in your predictions

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...he went up late, and I was already up there.

A10fan2

Don't forget that over rated Butler win either.

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Muddy's from 2009

He has since made the same "prediction" this year. CLASSIC

xavierhoops

Hold the bus... Xavier is getting votes in the AP Top 25 poll?!?!?!?!

Isn't this the Xavier team that was going to start a "multi-year" regression of the X program. Isn't this the Xavier team picked in the lower half of the A-10 (as low as 14th?) Yet Xavier is one of only two A-10 schools even getting votes??? And what about all that talk on how strong the A-10 is this year? Either it's a sad, sad day for the A-10 or Xavier just keeps doing what Xavier does every single year.

(Post somewhat tounge-in-cheek but I'll take everything I can after hearing for MONTHS on here how Xavier was about to begin a "couple year rough patch")

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