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Old 11-12-2012, 01:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

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When you open with findlay, walsh, Arkansas State and colorado, you shouldn't be talking about suck factors.
Didn't Colorado win the Pac 10 Tournament and go to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament, beating UNLV and losing to Baylor last year? I'm not sure how many guys they lost (ruling out a Xavier-like offseason meltdown), but I'm expecting a stern test.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Probably wnt be seeing any mentions of Fordham in this thread.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:10 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Do you get a reprieve if it turns out that the Sucky loss was actually OK? Youngstown State looks like a 20-win team at this point.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:27 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games


Sorry BM-GW,

The only factors that are relevant for the purposes of recognition on this thread are:
(1) The game must be played during the 2012-13 regular season.

(2) The game must be played against a non-conference opponent (i.e. today's Buter-Xavier game is ineligible).

(3) The Atlantic 10 team must be favored to win the game according to the latest spread posted on this MB.

(4) The Atlantic 10 team must lose the game.

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Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) - Post # 1


Today's eligible 'A10 Suck Factor' games:

UMASS (-9.5) plays Harvard at 10 am ESPN
Temple (-3.5) plays KENT ST at 12 pm ESPN
VCU (-7) plays Wichita St at 7 pm ESPNU
RICHMOND (-15) plays NC-Wilmington at 7 pm
CHARLOTTE (-11) plays Georgia Southern at 9 pm NBC Sports Network


Today's ineligible 'A10 Suck Factor' games:

XAVIER (+4) plays Butler at 4 pm ESPN
Fordham (No Line) plays Robert Morris (NIT Tipoff Round 2, game played in Pittsburgh) at 6 pm

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Well, the loss is supposed to be to a clearly inferior team. And it usually takes place on the home court of an A-10 team.
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In order to qualify for recognition on this thread of shame, an Atlantic 10 team must lose a non-conference game it was favored to win.
This would indicate that Butler might qualify today.
Then again, maybe we can change the rules as we go along and not count loses at the NCAA play-in arena.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:33 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games


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'A10 Suck Factor' Games - Post # 1


This should be a fun thread during the Atlantic 10's 2012-13 non-conference schedule.

In order to qualify for recognition on this thread of shame, an Atlantic 10 team must lose a game to a non-conference opponent it was favored to beat during the 2012-13 regular seaon.

On Friday November 9th, no favored A10 teams lost.
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Well, the loss is supposed to be to a clearly inferior team. And it usually takes place on the home court of an A-10 team.
This thread only exists as a repository for Xavier's inevitable loses. We'll probably see this thread sink if Dayton takes one on the chin. Unless Muddy's "fanbase" takes it upon themselves to bump it so that they can use their logic to finally prove him wrong. Which he will admit to graciously.
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This thread only exists as a repository for Xavier's inevitable loses.
Incorrect.

I anticipate that Xavier will be the underdog in most of their 2012-13 regular-season non-conference losses.

An underdog in a game is not eligible for recognition on this thread, because an underdog is supposed to lose the game.



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We'll probably see this thread sink if Dayton takes one on the chin.
Incorrect again.

I'll add any qualifying Dayton Flyers game(s) to this thread (if you or a Xavier fan doesn't beat me to it).


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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

Chris Mack at the Butler pre-game press conference, responding to a quesiton regarding having a tough opponent like Butler so early in the non-conference schedule:

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That's what you sign up for when you become part of our program. We're not that team that's going to schedule 15 cupcakes. We're going to play the best.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:07 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

So if Dayton is favored by 1 over Colorado in two days (not saying they will be - just purely a hypothetical), or if Dayton is favored by 2-3 home to Illinois State who may finish in the top 50 RPI (which I do expect Dayton to be a slight favorite), then it's a bad loss if they lose? There has to be some better way to classify a 'suck factor' game than a loss to a potential top 50 RPI team.

Perhaps favored by 5+ or a loss to a bottom 100 team or something.....
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games


rogabee - whether or not a team has a Top 50 RPI Ranking has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

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The only factors that are relevant for the purposes of recognition on this thread are:
(1) The game must be played during the 2012-13 regular season.

(2) The game must be played against a non-conference opponent (i.e. today's Buter-Xavier game is ineligible).

(3) The Atlantic 10 team must be favored to win the game according to the latest spread posted on this Atlantic 10 message board.

(4) The Atlantic 10 team must lose the game.
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So, Muddy, I take it the Butler loss is considered an "A-10 suck factor" game???

Welcome to the A-10, Bulldogs.
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Making numerous bad decisions concerning "who to recruit" is not bad luck - it's bad decision-making by a head coach.

Chris Mack is the author of his own misfortune, and everyone except you appears to realize this.
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A "bad hire" coach can set a basketball program back for years.

It will be interesting to compare Chris Mack's fourth season as Xavier's head coach with Jim O'Brien's fourth season as Dayton's head coach.
Current comparison: Mack 2-0 vs O'Brien 0-2

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Date Opponent Location RPI Ranking Result

11/09/12 Fairleigh Dickinson Cincinnati, Ohio # 330 WIN
11/13/12 Butler Cincinnati, Ohio # 106 LOSS
I'm going to give you an A-10 Suck Factor on that last pick.
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That post is great. Muddy is wildly inaccurate and it's only 2 games into the season!!!!
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