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Old 11-15-2012, 10:08 AM   #46 (permalink)
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thanks WH, good insight.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:33 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I also disagree with his definition of a suck factor loss. But, this is Muddy's thread. He will play with it as he chooses.
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Wasn't the spread suggesting Dayton would lose anyway?
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

Shoot me in the face for posting this, but Muddy has a few valid points to identify a suck factor loss.

I would draw the line at losing a game when you are a double digit favorite as s suck factor loss. Any game within a single digit spread still gives the underdog a some reasonable odds of winning. You want to split hairs and say anything more than a two possession spread, that works for me too.

Ultimately, I think we can all look at a game and just kinda know what is and isn't a bad loss based on the smell test.
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What? Dayton was favored in this blowout? Had no idea that would be the case.

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Old 11-16-2012, 05:50 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I don't have a problem with the idea behind this thread, I do have a problem with a UD fan starting this thread...there, I said it.
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Not a game, but Fordham loses Chris Gaston for a month with a torn meniscus.
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ouch. that sucks.
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Re: 11/17 A-10 Games - Post # 1


St. Bonaventure (-4.5) plays CANISIUS at 4 pm

72-69 Canisius over St. Bonaventure

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No.   Date            Favored A10 Team    Location  Spread   Underdog Opponent     Result       Margin

 1.   Nov. 10, 2012   George Washington     Home    – 3      Youngstown State    Lost 80-73    7 points
 2.   Nov. 13, 2012   VCU                   Home    – 7      Wichita State       Lost 53-51    2 points
 3.   Nov. 14, 2012   Saint Louis           Home    – 14    Santa Clara         Lost 74-62   12 points
 4.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Bonaventure       Away    - 4     Canisius            Lost 72-69    3 points
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The only factors that are relevant for the purposes of recognition on this thread are:
(1) The game must be played during the 2012-13 regular season.

(2) The game must be played against a non-conference opponent.

(3) The Atlantic 10 team must be favored to win the game according to the latest point spread posted on this Atlantic 10 message board.

(4) The Atlantic 10 team must lose the game.

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No.   Date            Favored A10 Team    Location  Spread   Underdog Opponent     Result       Margin

 1.   Nov. 10, 2012   George Washington     Home     3      Youngstown State    Lost 80-73    7 points
 2.   Nov. 13, 2012   VCU                   Home     7      Wichita State       Lost 53-51    2 points
 3.   Nov. 14, 2012   Saint Louis           Home     14    Santa Clara         Lost 74-62   12 points
 4.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Bonaventure       Away    - 4     Canisius            Lost 72-69    3 points
Wow at least now I see somewhat solid teams on this list. Before you could count on teams who would likely finish in the 250+ rpi to be on this list. I could see any of these teams in the top 150 of the RPI. Youngstown State might not make the tournament this year, but they'll give Valpo and Detroit tough games.
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11/17 A-10 Games - Post # 1

St. Joe's (-1.5) plays Florida Stata (Coaches vs Cancer Championship Game/Brooklyn NY) at 9:30 pm TRU TV

73-66 Florida State over St Joe's

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No.   Date            Favored A10 Team    Location  Spread   Underdog Opponent     Result       Margin

 1.   Nov. 10, 2012   George Washington     Home     3      Youngstown State    Lost 80-73    7 points
 2.   Nov. 13, 2012   VCU                   Home     7      Wichita State       Lost 53-51    2 points
 3.   Nov. 14, 2012   Saint Louis           Home     14    Santa Clara         Lost 74-62   12 points
 4.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Bonaventure       Away    - 4     Canisius            Lost 72-69    3 points
 5.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Joseph's         Neutral  - 1     Florida State       Lost 73-66    7 points
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i wouldn't call the st joe's game a suck factor game, 1 point on a neutral floor is basically a toss up
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