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Old 11-18-2012, 08:13 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

Really? St. Joe's losing to Florida State is considered an "A-10 Suck Factor" loss? Hell, I could argue that Bona's losing to Canisius on the road in a spirited rivalry game as a 3pt favorite wouldn't even qualify as an "A-10 Suck Factor" loss, even though I get angry for days when it happens. These are "Muddy Suck Factor" losses, not meeting the long-time spirit of what the "A-10 Suck Factor" is all about.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:33 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

The whole concept is stupid. We follow the games, we know who wins and loses and who was favored. Do we really need a specific place to list losses in games the A10 was favored? It implies that there is something special about the Atlantic 10....that teams in other conferences don't ever lose games in which they were favored. There is no "suck factor". It's sports.
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games


Central Conn. State Blue Devils - Schedule and Results (Yahoo!)


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Re: LASALLE - NONCON FORECAST - Post # 1

W- NOV. 10 DELAWARE
W- NOV. 18 CENTRAL CONNECTICUT STATE
W- Nov. 20 at Hartford
W- NOV. 25 VILLANOVA
W - Nov.29 at Rider
W- DEC. 5 PENN STATE (AT THE PALESTRA)
W- Dec. 8 at Northeastern
L - Dec. 15 at Bucknell
W- DEC. 20 IONA
W- DEC. 22 SACRED HEART
L - Dec. 29 at Siena
L - Jan. 2 at Miami (Fla.)
W - JAN. 5 PENN

... LaSalle follows with a win over a mediocre Central Conn State at home ...

NONCON FORECAST: 10-3

A-10 FORECAST: 10-6

OVERALL PREDICTION: 20-9
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11/18 A-10 Games - Post #1

LA SALLE (No Line) plays Central Conn. State at 2 pm
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81-74 Central Conn. State defeats La Salle. Bad loss for them and the league.
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Bad loss for La Salle at home. Really thought they had turned the corner last year, not so sure now.
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YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!!!!!

Central CT State!

Please help me understand how anyone here should continue to have patience for LaSalle in this league.

I'm sorry. This isn't personal. I just want to know how - year in and year out - this happens.

I don't care that it's one game, because it happens every year. And here it is, happening again.
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Losing to Central Connecticut State at home? Ugh.
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Although no line was published, La Salle was clearly the favorite in this game on the Explorers' homecourt.

Unless La Salle fans can provide credible evidence that their Explorers should have been the underdog on their homecourt against a mediocre Central Connecticut State team, this embarrassment will be recorded as an 'A10 Suck Factor' game.

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'A10 Suck Factor' Games:

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No.   Date            Favored A10 Team    Location  Spread   Underdog Opponent      Result       Margin

 1.   Nov. 10, 2012   George Washington     Home     3      Youngstown State     Lost 80-73    7 points
 2.   Nov. 13, 2012   VCU                   Home     7      Wichita State        Lost 53-51    2 points
 3.   Nov. 14, 2012   Saint Louis           Home     14    Santa Clara          Lost 74-62   12 points
 4.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Bonaventure       Away    - 4     Canisius             Lost 72-69    3 points
 5.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Joseph's         Neutral  - 1     Florida State        Lost 73-66    7 points
 6.   Nov. 18, 2012   La Salle              Home    N/A      Central Conn. State  Lost 81-74    7 points
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

Amen! The wisdom of WH shines again. La Salle loss to cent Conn State. AT HOME!
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                                           Venue    Point                          A10 Team       Loss
No.   Date            Favored A10 Team    Location  Spread   Underdog Opponent      Result       Margin

 1.   Nov. 10, 2012   George Washington     Home     3      Youngstown State     Lost 80-73    7 points
 2.   Nov. 13, 2012   VCU                   Home     7      Wichita State        Lost 53-51    2 points
 3.   Nov. 14, 2012   Saint Louis           Home     14    Santa Clara          Lost 74-62   12 points
 4.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Bonaventure       Away    - 4     Canisius             Lost 72-69    3 points
 5.   Nov. 17, 2012   St. Joseph's         Neutral  - 1     Florida State        Lost 73-66    7 points
 6.   Nov. 18, 2012   La Salle              Home    N/A      Central Conn. State  Lost 81-74    7 points
Those are not all suck factor losses. For example: With the 3 point adjustment for home team, GW basically was a pickem'. 7 points is out on the fringe of a "sizeable" spead where you should win the game


I would argue that only VCU, St Louis and LaSalle are the proud owners of a Suck Factor games so far (and I think the jury is still out on VCU). I'm not going to split hairs over this unless the exact same criteria is used when the sweater vests lose a game is a similar fashion....
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:27 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

Do you all seriously not see whats happening here? Every team will make the "Suck Factor" list, except Dayton...stop playing the game.
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Sorry BM-GW,

The only factors that are relevant for the purposes of recognition on this thread are:
(1) The game must be played during the 2012-13 regular season.

(2) The game must be played against a non-conference opponent (i.e. today's Buter-Xavier game is ineligible).

(3) The Atlantic 10 team must be favored to win the game according to the latest spread posted on this MB.

(4) The Atlantic 10 team must lose the game.
La Salle was not the favorite in this game, because there was no point spread posted. According to the rules that Muddy Waters outlined in this post, La Salle's loss does not qualify as an A-10 Suck Factor loss.
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games


Wrong. See Post # 63 above.

If you honestly believe that La Salle was the underdog on their own homecourt against a mediocre Central Connecticut State team, you're welcome to that belief, but don't belly-ache about it with nothing to bring to the table.

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Scheduled Games:

Saint Louis (-1.5) plays Texas A&M (CBE Hall of Fame Classic/Kansas City MO) 7:30 pm ESPNU
If I were you , I would be far more worried about Jim Crews picking up his second 'A10 Suck Factor' loss than the fortunes of La Salle and Central Connecticut State.

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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

A loss by St. Louis as a 1.5 point favorite, while unfortunate, would qualify as a "Muddy Suck Factor" loss, not an "A-10 Suck Factor" loss.
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

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Although no line was published, La Salle was clearly the favorite in this game on the Explorers' homecourt.

Unless La Salle fans can provide credible evidence that their Explorers should have been the underdog...
The burden of proof is on the STATE!
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Do you all seriously not see whats happening here? Every team will make the "Suck Factor" list, except Dayton...stop playing the game.
Dayton had 2 embarrassing suck-factor games last year. A 30 point embarrassment to Buffalo at home plus Miami OH.
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

I define an AOSF loss like Justice Potter defined pornography: I know it when I see it.

Throw out all the data and the betting lines. LaSalle's HOME loss to C Conn State is the worst loss of the young season and a clear AOSF game.

The only other was Bona's loss at Canisius. Rivalry game, sure, but Canisius lost 25 games last year, had a new coach and a roster with far less continuity than that of Bonaventure.

Amazed to see Jim Baron at Canisius. His team showed more defense in one game than his Rams teams did in 11 years! (-:
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Muddy's Observations:
(1) Any given Atlantic 10 team helps the A10's Conference RPI Ranking by not losing games they are supposed to win.
(2) The converse is also true.
(3) A review of previous college basketball seasons shows that in general, conferences with higher Conference RPI Rankings get more NCAA Tournmament 'at large' invitations than conferences with lower Conference RPI Rankings.
One issue I have with this:
ANY win helps your conference RPI and ANY loss hurts your conference RPI due to the snowball effect of conference play.
It doesn't matter if you play a really great team and lose; that helps YOU, not the CONFERENCE.

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Really? St. Joe's losing to Florida State is considered an "A-10 Suck Factor" loss? Hell, I could argue that Bona's losing to Canisius on the road in a spirited rivalry game as a 3pt favorite wouldn't even qualify as an "A-10 Suck Factor" loss, even though I get angry for days when it happens. These are "Muddy Suck Factor" losses, not meeting the long-time spirit of what the "A-10 Suck Factor" is all about.
I think just using the point spread is dumb. The spread is not designed to tell you who SHOULD win, it's designed solely to place even money on each side for the house; so that they're not handing over tons of cash when a school with a large fan base (cough, cough, Florida State) plays a team with a much smaller fan base (cough, cough, Saint Joseph's).

Besides, based on everything ESPN and the rest of the basketball media tells me: Conferences with FBS Football should trounce all of us Tiny Sisters Of The Poor Without Big Time Football in basketball!

My list of bad losses for the league:
Albany 69, Duquesne 66
Texas State 87, Fordham 76
Y-State 80, GW 73
Santa Clara 74, Saint Louis 62
Canisius 72, Bona 69
CCSU 81, LaSalle 74
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If we're not playing a "BCS conference" team, we need to win that game. Some losses are understandable and will happen. No way we go undefeated, but those are the one's we're counting on winning 85-90% of.
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Pitt 86, Fordham 51
Va Tech 69, Rhody 50
Ohio State 69, Rhody 58
Xavier 62, Butler 47
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And these games should never have been scheduled in the first place. URI and Fordham are rebuilding their programs. Why are they playing teams they've got very little chance of beating? And of course, let's add a certain loss to our OOC slate by playing a non-conference game against a conference opponent. Stupid.
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I define an AOSF loss like Justice Potter defined pornography: I know it when I see it.

Throw out all the data and the betting lines. LaSalle's HOME loss to C Conn State is the worst loss of the young season and a clear AOSF game.

The only other was Bona's loss at Canisius. Rivalry game, sure, but Canisius lost 25 games last year, had a new coach and a roster with far less continuity than that of Bonaventure.

Amazed to see Jim Baron at Canisius. His team showed more defense in one game than his Rams teams did in 11 years! (-:
The Bonnies did indeed lose to Canisius, and it still stings. Having said that, and with all due respect, Canisius lost 25 games last year, not this year. They may turn out to totally suck again this year, much like last year, but the fact that their roster has far less continuity from last year may turn out to be a good thing for them, considering that last year's roster lost 25 games.

I'm also not sure how a 3pt line, either way, would equate to a suck factor loss or significant upset. But, as jpschmack says, using betting lines is dumb.
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Re: 'A10 Suck Factor' Games

I have to ask... do the Fordham and Butler wins, count as "suck up" wins?

If you are going to count those games where the A10 team is favored, but loses - then you really should count the games where the A10 is the dog, but wins.
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