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Old 11-13-2012, 04:53 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:02 AM   #47 (permalink)
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The First Amendment does not apply to private companies.

The company that now owns this bulletin board, VScope, is a private company.

And there is a set of rules to be adhered to.

And even then, we don't enforce them to the letter. You guys are getting more freedom here than you think you have.
You are obviously correct and any board can set its own rules. As e-parade noted, private companies have a clear business interest in avoiding offensive language in their enterprises. The pecuniary excuse is the most legitimate one.

I would not have complained had moderators not made their arguments personal. All you have to do is cite the need to conform with the standards of advertisers who support the site. That's an argument that holds great sway with me and any business-minded person.

Accusing users of your site of the very serious (and vastly overused) charge of racism, however, is a bad idea. Moderators would do better to stick to blander admonishments about avoiding "offensive" language.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:42 AM   #48 (permalink)
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I think Snipe might be reeling from the political blow of the presidential election. If you are familiar with his political tilt and then throw the X offseason on top of it, it's a dangerous cocktail.
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I have 3, and all were for "insulting" Muddy.

Unfortunately, Muddy is the most protected poster on this forum.
"Insulting' Muddy is really impossible but the mods haven't figured that one out yet. He trolls for insults with every post. Mods let the ridiculous post stand (Starting a post like Jalen Reynolds died comes to mind, I nearly got banned on that one). Then when someone gives it back to him, he runs to the the mods and complains. Last guy in gets the infraction points.
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"Insulting' Muddy is really impossible but the mods haven't figured that one out yet. He trolls for insults with every post. Mods let the ridiculous post stand (Starting a post like Jalen Reynolds died comes to mind, I nearly got banned on that one). Then when someone gives it back to him, he runs to the the mods and complains. Last guy in gets the infraction points.
You can add this to the list of things that I have repeated over and over again on this board, but Muddy doesn't actually do anything that's against policy on this site. Wiping the Cheeto dust off of your fingers long enough to blather on for 3,300 words of quotes from posts of the Jurassic era, charts, "analysis", and the occasional stadium porn clearly draw a particular reaction, but aren't really against policy. I'm with the majority of folks when I would approve of getting rid of him, but alas, there's no actual reason to do so since we can't just vote someone off the island.
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My only contribution to this thread is to say that the Mod who mentioned Snipe's 'life issues' was off base. I actually know Snipe, although admittedly not very well, but he is a functional and pretty normal individual. Taking an unsubstantiated shot at a poster's personal life, particularly when you don't know him, is a low blow IMHO. Particularly when he is not around to defend himself.
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Anyone who makes any judgment about a person's real life from their virtual persona is likely to be proven a fool.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:10 PM   #54 (permalink)
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My only contribution to this thread is to say that the Mod who mentioned Snipe's 'life issues' was off base. I actually know Snipe, although admittedly not very well, but he is a functional and pretty normal individual. Taking an unsubstantiated shot at a poster's personal life, particularly when you don't know him, is a low blow IMHO. Particularly when he is not around to defend himself.
Getting drunk, then making racist (uh, excuse me, prejudicial?) comments against a person or a whole ethnic community, and then using one's drunkenness as an excuse for their behavior doesn't add up as "life issues" to you?

What would you call this behavior? Normal?

The key is we have to deal with the mess he leaves behind here. You guys want to enjoy the freedom of this board (and we really stretch the rules here for the A10 participants), but when someone finally goes over the edge you want to criticize a moderator's action, as a sign of "solidarity" (or whatever you want to call it).

No one gets paid here to put up with the bullshit coming out of this forum. The moderators work hard here to keep things moderately clean, and therefore no moderator abuse will be allowed here. That's the bottom line.

If you guys want to take potshots at me, that's fine. After being here most of the 11 years this site has been online, I have a pretty thick skin. But the reality of this situation is that this board, and some of its participants, continually cross the line and nothing is done about it because the moderation on this board is pretty liberal.

So if you want to keep it that way, I suggest you back off talking about moderators or administrators. If you want to discuss moderation of this board here in this thread, that's fine...but keep it constructive.
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Well, I'm fairly new to all this compared to some of you.
But I've been bantering back and forth with Snipe on the XUhoops board for some time. He's smart, witty, and has a very dry sense of humor. And we do not see eye to eye on politics...but we share a love of Xavier.

Unless he has personally used his level of alchohol intake as an excuse (for some post) I am going to assume you all are making that up. Drunk or sober, how would you know? His posts are all lucid, often fact filled and cited.

As to whether moderators should ban someone for a pharse or post, that's all up to you. I find WH's suggestion compelling. Just delete the offending sentence and everyone wins. Give out a warning...whatever. Not sure what the "progressive" steps were; I couldn't see them.

Good back and forth between people helps the latent strenght of the board. Many times I have looked at other forums on this site, and the A10 had far and away the most people on it, involved, etc.

I'm thinking that banning a Lifetime Member (?) who has paid I'm assuming a lot of $ for that designation, may not be the greatest marketing move in attracting supporting members.
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"Insulting' Muddy is really impossible but the mods haven't figured that one out yet. He trolls for insults with every post. Mods let the ridiculous post stand (Starting a post like Jalen Reynolds died comes to mind, I nearly got banned on that one). Then when someone gives it back to him, he runs to the the mods and complains. Last guy in gets the infraction points.
haha, I never did get an answer from the mods regarding their throught process of determining the Jalen Reynolds died post was appropriate. ha... or for that matter, Sewage Christon.
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Wiping the Cheeto dust off of your fingers long enough to blather on for 3,300 words of quotes from posts of the Jurassic era, charts, "analysis", and the occasional stadium porn clearly draw a particular reaction, but aren't really against policy.
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... And we do not see eye to eye on politics...
I think only Attila the Hun could see eye to eye with Snipe on politics.
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I find WH's suggestion compelling. Just delete the offending sentence and everyone wins. Give out a warning...whatever. Not sure what the "progressive" steps were; I couldn't see them.
We've had this particular suggestion about 1,000 times.

Are you volunteering? Is WH volunteering?

We have a huge moderator burnout on this board. The reason? You guessed it. We do things the old-fashioned way, and the moderators spend hours a day on here cleaning up the crap. And guess what? They just can't do it...nobody can.

THAT'S there are suspensions.
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"Insulting' Muddy is really impossible but the mods haven't figured that one out yet. He trolls for insults with every post. Mods let the ridiculous post stand (Starting a post like Jalen Reynolds died comes to mind, I nearly got banned on that one). Then when someone gives it back to him, he runs to the the mods and complains. Last guy in gets the infraction points.
Really disingenuous of you...or maybe you don't know the whole story.

I've lost count how many times I have suspended Muddy. Or maybe you just conveniently forgot that.
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