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Old 11-20-2012, 07:21 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Re: Xavier v Butler, Butler v Xavier

Butler second best team in America! Go X (congrats BU great win!!!)
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Re: Xavier v Butler, Butler v Xavier

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Valid points....but what if the Butler game also proved how bad Butler really is. You can't tell me that you watched that game and thought, "wow, we're really sticking it to a team that has all the pieces in place to win the A10 this year on our home court".

Some of us didn't buy into the horsecrap that Butler was a 3rd-5th place team in this league. Some of that was X themselves and how well they played but as Adam said, Butler is very near the bottom of this league in horses.

It doesn't surprise me one bit that X is 2-0 and will be 3-0 after three straight home games against FDU, Butler and Robert Morris.

I'd love to get some Butler fans commentary here but it looks like we won't be hearing from them until next off season. Only fan base to disappear quicker then UD fans. We at least stick around until January.

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It amazes me what UD people will say or how they'll try to spin a fact (X beating Butler by 19) to shine X in the worst light possible.

Somehow Butler spanked the #9 team in the country yet it's "horsecrap" to think they'd even come close to a 3-5 place finish in the big, bad A-10.

Maybe, just maybe, Xavier beat a decent Butler team by 17 points. Maybe the UD base can simply say "kudos" to X and say perhaps they aren't enterting the "multi-year rough patch" we previously predicted. Instead, it's a number of lengthy analysis of how bad Butler is and how laughable it is to think that Butler can compete for a top spot in the mighty A-10.

And here we are. Xavier is 3-0, one of only 2 A-10 teams getting votes in the AP poll and Butler just spanked #9 UNC. Doesn't appear the top dog (dogs* now with Butler and VCU) will be changing significantly in the A-10 anytime soon.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:50 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Re: Xavier v Butler, Butler v Xavier

I don't think Butler's win over UNC tells us anything about Xavier or how its season will turn out. Two different games in November. Basketball season is very young. A team can look great one night and terrible the next. Heck, Xavier was one shot away from losing at home to Robert Morris.

So far, Butler and Xavier look pretty good.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:53 PM   #94 (permalink)
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It amazes me what UD people will say or how they'll try to spin a fact (X beating Butler by 19) to shine X in the worst light possible.

Somehow Butler spanked the #9 team in the country yet it's "horsecrap" to think they'd even come close to a 3-5 place finish in the big, bad A-10.

Maybe, just maybe, Xavier beat a decent Butler team by 17 points. Maybe the UD base can simply say "kudos" to X and say perhaps they aren't enterting the "multi-year rough patch" we previously predicted. Instead, it's a number of lengthy analysis of how bad Butler is and how laughable it is to think that Butler can compete for a top spot in the mighty A-10.

And here we are. Xavier is 3-0, one of only 2 A-10 teams getting votes in the AP poll and Butler just spanked #9 UNC. Doesn't appear the top dog (dogs* now with Butler and VCU) will be changing significantly in the A-10 anytime soon.
How was my post trying to put X in a bad light? My whole post was about Butler and had very very little to do with X. On that night Butler looked atrocious, slow, no offense ect. Don't be so defensive.


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Old 11-20-2012, 07:56 PM   #95 (permalink)
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I don't think Butler's win over UNC tells us anything about Xavier or how its season will turn out. Two different games in November. Basketball season is very young. A team can look great one night and terrible the next. Heck, Xavier was one shot away from losing at home to Robert Morris.

So far, Butler and Xavier look pretty good.
You are missing the point WH. If Robert Morris would have hit that last second 3 pointer, they would have proven themselves to be the #8 team in the country. Do the math and take the logical steps.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:14 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Good one, FE! I learned a long time ago not to read too much into November. Alas, I still do every now and then - just like every devout fan!
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:21 PM   #97 (permalink)
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Re: Xavier v Butler, Butler v Xavier

Whose logic points them to the determination that Robert Morris would be #8 in the country if they made a 3, other than you Elvis?

The spin continues.

Is Butler still the "near bottom of the league" and is it still horsecrap they are predicted to finish near the top of the league?

By the way, I'm not being defensive. Just happily pointing out how terribly wrong your assessment of Butler appears to be. I'd venture to guess if an A-10 team beats the #9 team in the country, their "horses" aren't "near the bottom" of the good ole A-10 and predictions of them finishing near the top of the A-10 aren't "horsecrap."
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:51 AM   #98 (permalink)
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I don't think Butler's win over UNC tells us anything about Xavier or how its season will turn out. Two different games in November. Basketball season is very young. A team can look great one night and terrible the next. Heck, Xavier was one shot away from losing at home to Robert Morris.So far, Butler and Xavier look pretty good.
I seem to recall somebody on this board predicting just that. Given that, I don't understand why the win over RM, even a close one, is evidence of Xavier's vulnerability.
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You are missing the point WH. If Robert Morris would have hit that last second 3 pointer, they would have proven themselves to be the #8 team in the country. Do the math and take the logical steps.
If we keep working this topic enough, I feel sure we can get back to the old "we scored more points than you did in the 3 games combined" logic. Just a few more steps and we'll be there.
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:01 AM   #100 (permalink)
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You are missing the point WH. If Robert Morris would have hit that last second 3 pointer, they would have proven themselves to be the #8 team in the country. Do the math and take the logical steps.
Is this the same logic as, "UD is picked high in the preseason therefore UD has not only closed the gap with X but has overtaken them all together." Tell'em what they win Johnny...an NIT banner coupled with a preseason tournament championship.
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Good thing they got some divine intervention to make them all faster and better shooters before the UNC game. A miracle, actually.
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Good thing they got some divine intervention to make them all faster and better shooters before the UNC game. A miracle, actually.
There was certainly divine intervention in their game the other night vs MU. God has his favotites too it looks like.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:52 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Re: Xavier v Butler, Butler v Xavier

The thing is, Butler has NEVER been the biggest, tallest, fastest, most athletic team in the world. They have however, especially with Stevens as HC, been the better coached, harder working, more fundementaly sound team than just about anyone. That is why they win A LOT of games.

They're going to win games this year. They're going to get better as the year progresses.

I don't think they'll win the conference, but I'm not going to discount Butler.

Heck, Dayton has probably always been bigger, faster, and more athletic than Butler, but that doesn't always mean much.

And this coming from a guy who can't stand Butler.
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Re: Xavier v Butler, Butler v Xavier

All I know is that X spanked a team that spanked North Carolina.

Pretty simple.
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