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Flyer75 · 11-13-2012, 02:24 PM

Butler is weak folks. They have no guards that can penetrate the paint. Will be a big problem in league play. Welcome to the A10 Butler, even a weakened X team is a lot bigger, faster and stronger.

I actually don't care if X wins this....a few Butler fans here are going to get a dose of reality today. Clarke looks like a poor mans Redford.

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DukesDan · 11-13-2012, 02:25 PM

I am still not sold on DK, other than his recruiting ability.

The talent Umass has should have been overwhelming to Harvard today. Also, their freshman guard outclassed Chaz. He played like a seasoned vet, while Chaz continues to look out of control most of the time. I wouldn't say most of the passes Chaz made that were bobbled or missed were the fault of the recipients. The PG shouldn't be shoving or forcing passes just because he ran out of room or got in trouble. A lot of the time I see Chaz dribbling around the court and then running up the middle into a crowd while everyone else watches. He obviously is an athletic and talented guy but if he cant start distributing as well as he scores I don't see Umass improving a lot over last year's result.

I think DK and Ron Everhart had a lot in common. They encouraged that fast paced game that relies on steals and transition points. They also don't really have a good plan that can be executed in a half court kind of game. Oh, and DK was able to get a lot more talent.

Just my thoughts. I really want to see Umass get back to the tournament and still think they have their best chance in 10 years to get there. I am just discouraged after that performance.

Jonathan Watters · 11-13-2012, 02:28 PM

First half seemed to be about what x was doing, this half is about what butler can't do. I was encouraged by Roosevelt jones' 6 ast in game 1, but they have to get Clarke the ball with his feet set. Everything comes together from that.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-13-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

Butler is weak folks. They have no guards that can penetrate the paint. Will be a big problem in league play. Welcome to the A10 Butler, even a weakened X team is a lot bigger, faster and stronger.

I actually don't care if X wins this....a few Butler fans here are going to get a dose of reality today. Clarke looks like a poor mans Redford.

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Yup. Xavier's athletes are simply suffocating Butler. Stevens is bringing a Horizon League roster into the A10. Said it all summer. They'll be competitive, but as Larry Johnson told Nolan Richardson way back when, Stevens needs to "get some men". Xavier is going over, around, and through them. First to nearly every spot. Where have you gone, Hayward, Mack and Howard?

UMass87 · 11-13-2012, 02:35 PM

DukesDan - Chaz had ten assists to three turnovers to go along with three steals and 12 points but whatever. UMass won. There are no style points.

owlfan2272 · 11-13-2012, 02:35 PM

It's turned into a blowout.

Flyer75 · 11-13-2012, 02:35 PM

Where's Title BU at?

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Jonathan Watters · 11-13-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

Yup. Xavier's athletes are simply suffocating Butler. Stevens is bringing a Horizon League roster into the A10. Said it all summer. They'll be competitive, but as Larry Johnson told Nolan Richardson way back when, Stevens needs to "get some men". Xavier is going over, around, and through them. First to nearly every spot. Where have you gone, Hayward, Mack and Howard?

It's the lack of a primary ball handler / true dribble penetrator. The athleticism/talent level is absolutely a-10 caliber at every other position. But clarke and Dunham can't show it if they are having to create for thmeselves.

UMass87 · 11-13-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Watters

It's the lack of a primary ball handler / true dribble penetrator. The athleticism/talent level is absolutely a-10 caliber at every other position. But clarke and Dunham can't show it if they are having to create for thmeselves.

Exactly. It's what all of us predicted and what Title_BU denies. Basketball teams need point guards. Butler does not have one. Not yet, anyway.

UMass87 · 11-13-2012, 02:41 PM

and Roteni Clarke is NOT the best shooter ion the country. He's not even close to the best shooter in the A10 today.

DukesDan · 11-13-2012, 02:43 PM

Stat sheet doesn't always tell the whole story. Of course he will have a lot of assists, he is the only one who handles the ball. Plus you can add all the times he got blocked for missed a layup to this turnover numbers. Chaz looks like the same guy he was last year and that didn't get Umass to the NCAA tourney. The pitiful non con schedule wont help this year either.

Jonathan Watters · 11-13-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UMass87

Exactly. It's what all of us predicted and what Title_BU denies. Basketball teams need point guards. Butler does not have one. Not yet, anyway.

I would clarify this by saying the effect of butler's hole at pg is magnified by their two top offensive weapons being so dependent on playing with a creator type.

owlfan2272 · 11-13-2012, 02:48 PM

Old Brad Redford is back.

UMass87 · 11-13-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DukesDan

Stat sheet doesn't always tell the whole story. Chaz looks like the same guy he was last year and that didn't get Umass to the NCAA tourney. The pitiful non con schedule wont help this year either.

Whatever. Wasn't pretty but it was a win. If I remember correctly the 96 UMass Final Four team struggled to beat a perennially weak Duquesne team and it didn't hurt their season.

X-band '01 · 11-13-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UMass87

Methinks all the talk of Xavier's demise was a bit premature. Butler is getting a nice welcome to the A10.

Butler is already familiar with Xavier over the past 4 seasons - they'll get their welcome when they go to the friendly confines of places like St. Bonnie, Temple, Dayton and so forth.

I had hoped for a Xavier win today - certainly didn't expect this one to turn into an ass-kicking.

11-13-2012, 02:25 PM	#152 (permalink)
DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) I am still not sold on DK, other than his recruiting ability. The talent Umass has should have been overwhelming to Harvard today. Also, their freshman guard outclassed Chaz. He played like a seasoned vet, while Chaz continues to look out of control most of the time. I wouldn't say most of the passes Chaz made that were bobbled or missed were the fault of the recipients. The PG shouldn't be shoving or forcing passes just because he ran out of room or got in trouble. A lot of the time I see Chaz dribbling around the court and then running up the middle into a crowd while everyone else watches. He obviously is an athletic and talented guy but if he cant start distributing as well as he scores I don't see Umass improving a lot over last year's result. I think DK and Ron Everhart had a lot in common. They encouraged that fast paced game that relies on steals and transition points. They also don't really have a good plan that can be executed in a half court kind of game. Oh, and DK was able to get a lot more talent. Just my thoughts. I really want to see Umass get back to the tournament and still think they have their best chance in 10 years to get there. I am just discouraged after that performance. __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

11-13-2012, 02:28 PM	#153 (permalink)
Jonathan Watters Star Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,061 Rep Power: 1003053	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) First half seemed to be about what x was doing, this half is about what butler can't do. I was encouraged by Roosevelt jones' 6 ast in game 1, but they have to get Clarke the ball with his feet set. Everything comes together from that.

11-13-2012, 02:35 PM	#155 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) DukesDan - Chaz had ten assists to three turnovers to go along with three steals and 12 points but whatever. UMass won. There are no style points.

11-13-2012, 02:35 PM	#156 (permalink)
owlfan2272 Star Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,538 Rep Power: 12822	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) It's turned into a blowout. __________________ Temple Owls have won a lot.

11-13-2012, 02:41 PM	#160 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) and Roteni Clarke is NOT the best shooter ion the country. He's not even close to the best shooter in the A10 today.

11-13-2012, 02:24 PM	#151 (permalink)
Flyer75 Star Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,856 Rep Power: 37278	Butler is weak folks. They have no guards that can penetrate the paint. Will be a big problem in league play. Welcome to the A10 Butler, even a weakened X team is a lot bigger, faster and stronger. I actually don't care if X wins this....a few Butler fans here are going to get a dose of reality today. Clarke looks like a poor mans Redford. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using VerticalSports.Com App

11-13-2012, 02:35 PM	#157 (permalink)
Flyer75 Star Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,856 Rep Power: 37278	Where's Title BU at? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using VerticalSports.Com App

11-13-2012, 02:43 PM	#161 (permalink)
DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) Stat sheet doesn't always tell the whole story. Of course he will have a lot of assists, he is the only one who handles the ball. Plus you can add all the times he got blocked for missed a layup to this turnover numbers. Chaz looks like the same guy he was last year and that didn't get Umass to the NCAA tourney. The pitiful non con schedule wont help this year either. __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset Last edited by DukesDan; 11-13-2012 at 02:51 PM.

11-13-2012, 02:48 PM	#163 (permalink)
owlfan2272 Star Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,538 Rep Power: 12822	Re: 11/13 A-10 Games (Huge day!) Old Brad Redford is back. __________________ Temple Owls have won a lot.

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