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Old 11-27-2012, 05:02 PM   #241 (permalink)
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If this goes down, the Big East is officially Conference USA. Who wants to play basketball with either of those schools? If the basketball schools ever want to get away, they'll do it now.

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Well the Big East likely won't be playing BBall with ECU. This isn't the MAC here trying to up their OOC slate by requiring the football only members to play them a certain amount of times per year.

Tulane on the other hand...
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If this goes down, the Big East is officially Conference USA. Who wants to play basketball with either of those schools? If the basketball schools ever want to get away, they'll do it now.
Well, they won't have to play the football-only ECU, just Tulane.

Tulane, while being really bad at the two high revenue sports, actually is one of the few programs still available with upside:

#1 - They weren't terrible before Katrina (49-44 from 1997-2004 in football; Undefeated in 1998. Tulane has more SEC football titles than Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina and Vanderbilt put together. Three NCAA Tourney wins from 1992-95)

#2 - Some of their non-revenue sports are good: WBB has like 11 NCAA bids, volleyball was pretty good a few years ago. And for Tulane, BASEBALL IS a revenue sport. They went to two CWS in five years before Katrina.

#3 - They've practically been building from scratch. A new baseball stadium that rivals high-level minor league ballparks, new hoops/VB practice facility, and new basketbal arena have all just opened. They have a new football stadium coming soon. And they can use New Orleans Arena and the Superdome for big games.
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Well the Big East likely won't be playing BBall with ECU. This isn't the MAC here trying to up their OOC slate by requiring the football only members to play them a certain amount of times per year.

Tulane on the other hand...
Yeah, I saw that too late and corrected it. My bad! Cincinnati must be pissing their pants right now. All this work and they're right back where they started. Louisville at least has a chance to get off this sinking ship.

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So, today's Jacksonville paper had a commentary article by its lead sports columnist Re FSU.

The gist of it? That FSU is in serious trouble if it stays in the ACC. The 'noles got their butts handed to them last weekend on their home turf by the Gators. There ranking profile has been a disaster all season; they're really not even on the radar now.

They're about to go into a conference championship game that literally has cheap seats selling on Internet sites for $3.50. No, I didn't miss any zeros in that last sentence. Imagine someone saying, "hey, I'm in Charlotte this weekend, do I want to spring for a Big Mac or go to the ACC Championship Game" (The guy then decides to spring for the Big Mac on Saturday).

You have to know that FSU and V Tech, as the more serious football members of the ACC, are really burning the midnight oil over all this. Everyone will now watch this Maryland litigation, but, fee or no fee, they still absolutely know that they cannot afford to continue in the ACC if legitimate shots at national championships for them is the goal.
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That's my bad. I misread something and thought the whole Big East deal went until the end of the 2013-2014 season. That does change things but it doesn't eliminate that $10 million exit fee. Even with a much worse deal than they currently have, I still see the basketball schools getting more than they would in the A-10.
Short term they will get more money. Long term is unknown. If the four 16 team leagues happens, other football leagues will get scraps to play in the Tuesday Night #MACtion slot.

But more than money, their brand is dying. Right now Georgetown recruits on playing Syracuse, UConn, etc...with half or more of their games on national TV. That's a hell of a brand. Will they be able to recruit playing SMU, Tulane, etc on regional TV? Or are they better off breaking away and packaging a basketball brand for less money but likely better exposure? That's the question. That should scare them more than a few hundred thousand dollars per year.
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When I win the Powerball tmrw, I will construct a new league to my liking.
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Man that ECU to A-10 rumor completely sucks.

I really hope there is no truth whatsoever to that and the 'discussions' that took place from Terry Holland to Bernie were no more extensive than this:

Terry: 'Hey Commissioner McGlade, this is Terry Holland over at East Carolina University and we're very much interested in relocating our non-football sports to your conference. What do you think?'

Bernie: *shocked silence*

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Short term they will get more money. Long term is unknown. If the four 16 team leagues happens, other football leagues will get scraps to play in the Tuesday Night #MACtion slot.

But more than money, their brand is dying. Right now Georgetown recruits on playing Syracuse, UConn, etc...with half or more of their games on national TV. That's a hell of a brand. Will they be able to recruit playing SMU, Tulane, etc on regional TV? Or are they better off breaking away and packaging a basketball brand for less money but likely better exposure? That's the question. That should scare them more than a few hundred thousand dollars per year.
Exactly.

But it is amazing how locked into the television money they seem to be.
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Short term they will get more money. Long term is unknown. If the four 16 team leagues happens, other football leagues will get scraps to play in the Tuesday Night #MACtion slot.

But more than money, their brand is dying. Right now Georgetown recruits on playing Syracuse, UConn, etc...with half or more of their games on national TV. That's a hell of a brand. Will they be able to recruit playing SMU, Tulane, etc on regional TV? Or are they better off breaking away and packaging a basketball brand for less money but likely better exposure? That's the question. That should scare them more than a few hundred thousand dollars per year.
I totally agree on the branding. However, I don't see them taking it into consideration until they actually see it drop and have it impact their attendance, ratings and ability to compete. This is especially true for the bigger names in the conference. The Big East expansion today suggests more denial than rational thought. The only chance the A-10 has to add a Big East basketball program right now is to find the one or two that could have been opposed to adding Tulane and East Carolina.If all the BE basketball schools are committed to sticking it out and making a futile effort to maintain their profile and conference affiliation, the A-10 gets none.
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ESPN making it sound like Louisville is the frontrunner for the one spot the ACC currently wants to fill.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...-acc-expansion

Does anyone else laugh when anyone says KFC Yum! (exclamation point theirs) Center? This is the worst naming rights fiasco since the Value City Arena. Of course, we'll always have the (R.I.P) Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl and the Beef O'Brady's Bowl (Still a going concern! Look it up!).

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Does anyone have any idea what penalties Temple would face if they stayed in the Big East in football but pulled the rest of their sports out? IMO, football move still makes sense for them, but the rest not so much especially if they don't have to pay any penalties.
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Does anyone else laugh when anyone says KFC Yum! (exclamation point theirs) Center? This is the worst naming rights fiasco since the Value City Arena. Of course, we'll always have the (R.I.P) Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl and the Beef O'Brady's Bowl (Still a going concern! Look it up!).
I miss the International Bowl in Toronto. I went in January '09 when Uconn played Buffalo. Great city, fun weekend, the game had a cool trophy. Who knew that it'd be tough to get people to Canada in the winter?
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With the votes by the Big East to add Tulane for all sports and ECU just for football and now the news of Louisville leaving, is the breakup more or less likely? Arguments could be made for both sides. One could argue that if the basketball schools were willing to add Tulane and ECU to their league to get more football schools, they have basically said no to any basketball only league. On the other hand, Louisville was one of the basketball crown jewels of the Big East. Do the basketball onlies feel different about the league with them leaving? Were they accepting of the fact that would still get to play the Cardinals in hoops but also had to play the Green Wave for that right. With the Cardinals gone, do they still want to play a Tulane?
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