I can almost promise you that Bobinski has been talking with the other AD's for at least six months now. I heard about conversations three months ago. I don't think Xavier is rushing into anything. I have been discussing this for a long time.
Gee. I'm so proud to be a Dayton fan right now, with all the eloquent and classy posts I've been reading from our fan base. Whatever happens, happens and I will now get to add another conference to my viewing experience.
That's fine but we have numerous fans here calling us POS, arrogant, delusional, ect.... all based on ONE person. Sorry for trying to stick up for the rest of us. I'll let it go next time.
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The package is all about the TV money. The new BE Basketball league or the old BE basketball with new members will negoiate with ESPN, etc. for a per team payout. Less teams, more money per team. More teams, more money if ESPN likes it and will pay them the same. I have seen $1.5 mill per team bandied about for a 9 team league. ESPN, etc. have the pot of gold and the ability to sustain your league thru the years. Lest we forget, the NBC deal with ND really started all this years ago. Put together a deal ESPN likes, you get the cash. They run College Sports. You can bet there is a deal on the table right now covering all scenario's.
IT would take many millions in advertising and brand development to get any where near the recognition of Big East Basketball. The Big East Basketball league is currently a very good league. Many of the defections have not even happened yet!
^^^^^^ These guys are all filling arenas with a Big East logo on the floor.
It is pretty funny to think that teams in this new league are going to get 1.5 million a year. Is that even what they get now and in past years with a conference that is FAR superior to what it is possibly going to be?
I doubt the contract is for anything more than 800,000.
Having fewer memebers is not always a good for a tv contract. Fewer matchups means fewer games to air.
Not convinced an all Catholic league means much in terms of religious ideology. Probably means more in just general standards of behavior based on common proverbs. Today's society is increasingly non-denominational and religiously adverse, and more people are moving away from organized religion (as opposed to spirituality), rather than toward it.
We can have a discussion about whether thats good, bad, or indifferent, but its the direction we've been moving in for the last 25 years. It has become a polarizing thread in society, one that fewer and fewer people are identifying with.
Im not advocating schools like UD or St. Joe stop being who they are. But they must recognize the flowing current isnt what it used to be. In that sense, I think purposely narrowing your interests can have unintended consequences.
Winner: Xavier
A handful of programs have been mentioned as potential targets for the Big East Seven, from the Atlantic 10's Xavier, Butler, Dayton and Saint Louis, to the Valley's Creighton, to the CAA's George Mason, to the WCC's Gonzaga. Only the Musketeers appear to be a near-lock to receive an invitation. Xavier is a geographic and religious fit, plus it boasts high-major facilities and fan support, a winning pedigree and upward momentum. Three to five schools from the above list could join the Big East Seven, but the Musketeers are the most clear-cut asset.
No kidding. Xavier has succeeded consistently over a period of years and they have earned the opportunity to upgrade their situation. But it's interesting that their on court success is the last thing listed by the author of the quote, when describing their assets to the New Big East.
For the folks who comparing the BE7 & to the A10 please consider one thing.
Depaul will do everything in their power to improve their basketball program.
Fordham and Lasalle will be playing in the same run down high school gym twenty years from now.
TMan, Depaul has done nothing - other than hiring Purnell - to make themselves even somewhat relevant. They are absolutely horrible. Fordham horrible. Depaul needs to do one thing - and one thing only - to make themselves relevant and that is build an arena in the city. And yet they have not done it for years. They play in an absolutely terrible arena that is nowhere near campus - in traffic, it can be well over an hour drive. It is a horrible experience to watch a game there. Students don't go to the games. No one goes. What are there current plans? They are exploring building an arena near McCormack Place, a giant convention center in no man's land. It is closer to campus than the current place, but I can't imagine any students showing up. Depaul is as serious as Fordham is in improving their hoops team.
I am somewhat torn on this - I like the A10 and was looking forward the new rivalries. However I want what would be best for UD BB, so the move to the BE 7 looks like the best option - if it even becomes available.
There are two things that could be problems in the new league for Dayton and other teams not named Xavier. First is the possibility of legal entanglements due to the BE breakup that could end up affecting the new schools. Not sure if that is an issue but one would have to be wary about that.
Second is the fact that the bottom half of the BE7 aren't really all that, yet I would be concerned that the new additions would be considered second class citizens who should be kissing a** just to be associated with Providence, St. Johns, SH and DePaul, let alone the mighty G-Town, Marquette and Nova. Not sure how true that would really be, but those schools have turned their nose up and UD for years now.
Again, not saying those are legitimate, let alone deal killers. Just something to think about.
...the bottom half of the BE7 aren't really all that, yet I would be concerned that the new additions would be considered second class citizens who should be kissing a** just to be associated with Providence, St. Johns, SH and DePaul...
You are absolutely correct - someone who gets it. If you read the media outlets, the BE7 are the most coveted possession in college sports. Their arrogance is just mindboggling. And yes, they would have you believe that the mere association with the BE7 is them doing you a favor. In reality, Dayton today is better than at least 3 of those 4 programs, and probably St. John's as well.
DePaul, Seton Hall, and Providence are riding the coattails here. And to the poster that said DePaul will do everything in their power to improve their program.. keep telling yourself that. The move to the BigEAST really lit a fire under them, didn't it? [/sarcasm]
The fact that Dayton fans are using the First 4 games against SLU (St. Louis has recently got tournament games a little later) is kind of strange. None of us want to be excluded...but First 4 vs. Final 4 doesn't help Dayton's cause.
Agreed. We were not going to be very good to begin with, but losing our best player (a pre-season first team A10) made matters exponentially worse. Losing last year's starting PG did not help either and now he is gone permanently. And before all that our coach set up one of the most ridiculous schedules I have ever seen for such a bad program. Not the opponents necessarily, but only one game at home so far.
Sources close to the discussions told Sporting News on Friday that one possibility to give the Bearcats and Huskies a home, which is at the early stages of discussion, would be a cross-continent all-sports league involving disenfranchised members of the Big East as well as the most prominent members of the Mountain West.
The proposed entrants would be UConn, Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, Temple, Boise State, San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico and possibly BYU or Central Florida. Such a league would include football programs that are comparable and competitive, as well as extraordinary basketball featuring eight teams that reached the NCAA Tournament last season. NBC Sports Network is likely to be approached to gauge its interest in such a property.
True but that is going to be the case no matter what. I'd rather be with UNLV, San Diego St etc in a smaller conference for the time being with them instead of with Tulane, East Carolina etc.
That's OK, Bill. Mr. Quebec doesn't have to rely on his whole "welders" bit. He's trashed Bona since the old Voy Forums days. You've just got to roll with it.
The guy who had the election figured out, weighs in on the Sagarin numbers and conference strengths.
For those who think the A10 may be as strong as the BE 7, this may change some perceptions.
I like Nate Silver, he's a smart guy, even when talking about sports and not politics... but he should really understand that all of those numbers - Sagarin or RPI - are derived from WHO YOU PLAY, and 55% and 66% of who you play is determined by WHO IS IN YOUR CONFERENCE.
There's no doubt that the future A-10 will be weaker, the new BE7 Conference will be somewhere between the current A-10 and the current Big East; but using that type of metric to quantify it would be like him suggesting that the democratic party primary runner up could win the republican nomination. It's apples to oranges.
EDIT: after actually READING the article, I see that his made no reference to the future Atlantic 10, so sorry.
But to paul:
I don't think you need raw numbers to say that the BE7 is a better basketball league than the new BE FB conference with SMU, UCF, Tulane, etc; or better than the future A-10 after defections. The issue of HOW MUCH can't be determined using data that is a PRODUCT OF the old alignment.
It's pretty clear that that the ghosts of Yinka Dare, Tom Stith, Skip Prosser, and Jameer Nelson's dad won't let the A10 crumble.
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