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Old 12-11-2012, 05:29 PM   #601 (permalink)
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No doubt. Funny stuff.

My sources tell me that Dino Gaudio's sources are full of ****.

That was easy.
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The irony of the remark about the arenas did make me laugh when I heard the segment. Only Nova has a good on-campus arena among the seven.
No disrespect WH, but have you been there? I don't think the Pavilion even qualifies as a "good" basketball arena. I've had the misfortune of being in there more than once.
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Yes, because Georgetown and St. Johns are used to playing in much more lavish arenas.

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Georgetown

I don't really get this argument...

Georgetown plays all of its mens' basketball games at Verizon Center. Using that picture doesn't really do the team justice.

Is it possible they'd have to play at their on-campus facility if a split occurs? Maybe. They certainly should expect less attendance now then a few years back when Cuse, Pitt, ND, WVU were in the conference. But you can bet your ass that G'Town will fight tooth and nail to get donor money in order to play at Verizon.
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Yes, but:
-- odds are it would end up being a 7-for-1 trade, with the Big East inviting UMass to be their 10th all-sport member.
-- There's six other redundant markets, and Bona's insignificant market.
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Bonas TV market would not just be Olean NY - are you kidding me? It would be Western NY which would include Buffalo NY which curently has an NFL team and NHL team and 19,000 seat arena that is always the first arena to sellout when Buffalo hosts the NCAA tourney.

Without Bonaventure the conference would have no representation in NY State from Westchester county to albany to syracuse to Niagara Falls - thats a HUGE gap that St Bonas would fill.
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Bonas TV market would not just be Olean NY - are you kidding me? It would be Western NY which would include Buffalo NY which curently has an NFL team and NHL team and 19,000 seat arena that is always the first arena to sellout when Buffalo hosts the NCAA tourney.

Without Bonaventure the conference would have no representation in NY State from Westchester county to albany to syracuse to Niagara Falls - thats a HUGE gap that St Bonas would fill.
That's wishful thinking. I love the Bonnies, but they are no kind of media draw.
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Just wondering what the perspective of the Butler & VCU posters is vis a vis this talk about them joining the BE catholic schools along with some combination likely to include Dayton, St. Louis Xavier etc.? If they were the only two non-catholic schools would they be comfortable with that?
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This guy says there's no exit fee if the basketball (or football) schools decide to leave en masse, even with Temple having a full vote. I assume they would still have to leave their NCAA units behind, but not sure about that.
Yes, that's huge. They can walk as a group and pay zippo to the BE, then add 5 teams or so to a new League. Starting to look like the best case for them.
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I don't really get this argument...

Georgetown plays all of its mens' basketball games at Verizon Center. Using that picture doesn't really do the team justice.

Is it possible they'd have to play at their on-campus facility if a split occurs? Maybe. They certainly should expect less attendance now then a few years back when Cuse, Pitt, ND, WVU were in the conference. But you can bet your ass that G'Town will fight tooth and nail to get donor money in order to play at Verizon.
BmoreX where have you been? Go back earlier in the day on this thread.. Georgetown athletic department is in the red because it costs them $40k per game to rent with only filling a 1/3rd of the arena... They can not sustain that and will probably returning in the near future with an investment in the on campus arena... The university does not want to pay $500k per year for it with empty arena..
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Just wondering what the perspective of the Butler & VCU posters is vis a vis this talk about them joining the BE catholic schools along with some combination likely to include Dayton, St. Louis Xavier etc.? If they were the only two non-catholic schools would they be comfortable with that?
Is there some kind of requirement that you have to be catholic to play basketball?

No?

Then play ball as far as I'm concerned.

I never got the idea that the Big East basketball schools would suddenly sacrifice basketball quality to align themselves with schools that fit their exact profile when that is something they have never done in the first place. They'll do what gets them the most money and if the networks tell them they will get more TV money if Butler and VCU are in the league as opposed to whatever private/catholic/jesuit school, they won't hesitate.

This isn't about theology. This is all about money and quality basketball that people will turn on their TV to watch. I'm confident Brad Stevens and Shaka Smart will help both schools in any scenario that has them being considered.
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BmoreX where have you been? Go back earlier in the day on this thread.. Georgetown athletic department is in the red because it costs them $40k per game to rent with only filling a 1/3rd of the arena... They can not sustain that and will probably returning in the near future with an investment in the on campus arena... The university does not want to pay $500k per year for it with empty arena..
Sorry, must have missed that post.

But my main point stands. I am confident that Georgetown will try their damndest to stay in Verizon because, as has been pointed out, the on-campus "arena" is simply inept.

But let's say you're right and they cannot afford Verizon anymore. I believe that the Hoyas would invest to upgrade their on-campus facilities or seek a better, more affordable option.

That in itself shows me they are committed to their basketball program, something that some A10 schools still don't show me.
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Bonas TV market would not just be Olean NY - are you kidding me? It would be Western NY which would include Buffalo NY which curently has an NFL team and NHL team and 19,000 seat arena that is always the first arena to sellout when Buffalo hosts the NCAA tourney.

Without Bonaventure the conference would have no representation in NY State from Westchester county to albany to syracuse to Niagara Falls - thats a HUGE gap that St Bonas would fill.
I'm not hating on St. Bonaventure. (I'm a Bona grad, by the way).

We are two big IFs from being CONSIDERED:
-- IF we didn't have the scandal and instead of 25-89 from 2004-08, were competitive -- something like 64-50 with 3 NITs (maybe an NCAA bid) AND
-- IF John Rigas wasn't a crook and his Empire Sports Network was still a corporate partner that was airing our games from Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and the Southern Tier.

Then we might be considered along with Duquesne, Creighton, and VCU/Richmond. But that would be for spots #12-14 spots after X, SLU, Dayton and Butler.
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Here's what Marquette's AD Larry Williams had to say about the whole 'catholic' issue:

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“On the Catholic concept… Now I’m a Catholic. I’m really comfortable in that environment, but I would be careful to define something so narrowly as to someone’s religious tradition. There’s some really good basketball played at VCU. There’s this place down in Indiana that has made a couple appearances in the final game.”
Some really good thoughts from Williams all throughout this piece: http://espnwisconsin.com/common/more...&post_id=16611
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Agreed.

I said it awhile back in this thread: The money is coming from ESPN, CBS, NBC and FOX, not Eternal Word Network.
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Andy Katz said the Big East only basketball teams might leave because figuring out who owns the Big East brand in a breakup could be a long legal nightmare. He said the A-10 is monitoring the situation and is very open to inviting all seven BE basketball schools into the conference.

Sure sounds like the A-10 is being the aggressor and trying to put on a united front. Either that, or the commish is putting on a great game face and making it sound like the league is united via well-placed leaks.

Very interesting stuff. I like that the A-10 is sounding like it's out in front. But who knows how it will all play out. My school, UMass, might not even be in the league's long-range plans.
Great game face:
-- We get the A-10 name in the press: SportsCenter, ESPN.com, etc, etc.
-- We show strength: We're stable, you're not.
-- The top half shows loyalty to the league publicly (while privately the whole league is probably calling those seven to check in and lobby for a spot if they split)
-- The bottom half shows how ridiculous a 21-team league sounds, and hopes the BE7 says "No way, let's stick with football.
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