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Medford · 12-12-2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Quinn

The key here is that since Temple has a full vote, it means the Big East football schools control the future of the conference.

Period.

If the 7 non-football schools want out, they have to do so knowing that they would forfeit:
1) tens of millions in NCAA tournament shares
2) all BE exit fee money from recent defections
3) name/brand of the Big East

That means they have 3 options:
1) leave the Big East to join the A10 (giving up NCAA tourney shares, collected exit fee claims, Big East brand)
2) leave the Big East to start something new (giving up NCAA tourney shares, collected exit fee claims, Big East brand) and inviting no more than 3 schools as to not split the new TV contract too many ways; Also will need to wait to get an NCAA autobid.
3) remain with the Big East football schools, keep things as they are, and collect the millions owed from tourney shares, exit fees, new TV contract, etc.

The meeting on Sunday was a farce. They have no power, so whatever they do (if leaving) will cost them big.

Thre was an article by the same guy who first reported this meeting stating that back when miami, BC & vTech split for the ACC, the Big East put in some sort of provision that if all the BBall side, or all of the football side wanted to part together, they could do so w/o penalty. Teams only have to pay penalty if they depart individually. The article also states that they believe they could do so, while retaining the Big East brand.

The Autobid should be a non factor for any short time period they'd be w/o one. If you took those 7 plus a handful of top BBall only schools its not hard to envision them having more than 1 at large team on a regular basis. Sure it makes the conference tournament kind of pointless for the first handful of years, but that is a temporary issue that won't be given much consideration given the other issues involved.

DoubleJayAlum · 12-12-2012, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Quinn

The key here is that since Temple has a full vote, it means the Big East football schools control the future of the conference.

Period.

Of course, if one of the football schools wants out to join another conference, they suddenly become an ally of the basketball onlies. Voting to dissolve the conference could free that school from paying exit fees.

ShoeSh1ne · 12-12-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by College Hoops

Just wondering what the perspective of the Butler & VCU posters is vis a vis this talk about them joining the BE catholic schools along with some combination likely to include Dayton, St. Louis Xavier etc.? If they were the only two non-catholic schools would they be comfortable with that?

We want to be in the best basketball conference we can be in. If that means a league with mostly Catholic schools - so be it.

Kevin Waymire · 12-12-2012, 07:47 AM

@AdamZagoria: Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

RF1 · 12-12-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Waymire

@AdamZagoria: Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

Maybe not at this exact moment. As noted above, if UConn or Cinci were to officially announce they were leaving, the Catholics would have the power.

butlerway · 12-12-2012, 07:57 AM

So who controls who gets extended an invitation to the Big East? Could the basketball schools simply come together to invite other top basketball schools without football?

Muddy Waters · 12-12-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by butlerway

Could the basketball schools simply come together to invite other top basketball schools without football?

Yes.

RF1 · 12-12-2012, 08:05 AM

The whole problem with dissolving the Big East and starting up a new league is all the litigation that would ensue and the time it would take for everything to sort itself out. The luxury of time may not be there for the BE Catholics. The idea that it is an easy cut and dry process for a league to be dissolved by a faction, the name and rights kept by that faction, monies distributed to everyone's satisfaction, a new league formed along with all its infrastructure and media contracts, and additional teams invited ready when needed is a pipedream. It is a very complicated process with many unknowns that could take many years to be fully settled.

ace93 · 12-12-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RF1

Maybe not at this exact moment. As noted above, if UConn or Cinci were to officially announce they were leaving, the Catholics would have the power.

Temple should use the leverage they have right now to get UConn and Cincy to make them a promise (fwiw) that if they do end up leaving to not announce it until a day before the new fiscal year begins (presumably 6/30) so that the hoops schools don't have time to gather and make their vote to dissolve. Not sure that timing would work or be enough. If Temple wants the BE to stay together, they have the power right now and should so what they can to keep it.

SDW · 12-12-2012, 08:48 AM

What would prevent one of the football schools that wants out of the BE without paying an exit fee - UConn, say - from aligning themselves with the basketball schools and voting the league into dissolution? Saves them the legal hassle, exit fees and 27 month wait period.

DukesDan · 12-12-2012, 09:10 AM

Zags Blog piece

That Marquette AD is a tool. Starts talking about national championships and touts Georgetown and Marquette as too good for little ole A10. Wake up dude, you are about to be a mid major if you don't pull off some miracle in the next 6 months!

ace93 · 12-12-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SDW

What would prevent one of the football schools that wants out of the BE without paying an exit fee - UConn, say - from aligning themselves with the basketball schools and voting the league into dissolution? Saves them the legal hassle, exit fees and 27 month wait period.

Good point.

BmoreX · 12-12-2012, 09:50 AM

Going back to Gonzaga...

There are football-only members in the Big East. Could there be basketball-only members of a conference?

If so, I would definitely consider Gonzaga. They can park their Olympic sports in a West-Coast conference while their basketball team plays in a national conference with the BE Catholics and the top echelon of A10 schools.

I would think the TV networks would bid on that group, especially if you can get maybe one more talented West Coast basketball school to do the same. You could be airing that conference's games for a better part of an entire day.

With that said, it all depends on if "basketball-only" is possible.

BmoreX · 12-12-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SDW

What would prevent one of the football schools that wants out of the BE without paying an exit fee - UConn, say - from aligning themselves with the basketball schools and voting the league into dissolution? Saves them the legal hassle, exit fees and 27 month wait period.

I think they would if they had a guarantee from the ACC that they would take the Huskies immediately following the vote.

But until that happens, probably unlikely. You don't want to risk having an empty football schedule (effectively being independent) if you don't have to.

ace93 · 12-12-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BmoreX

Going back to Gonzaga...

There are football-only members in the Big East. Could there be basketball-only members of a conference?

If so, I would definitely consider Gonzaga. They can park their Olympic sports in a West-Coast conference while their basketball team plays in a national conference with the BE Catholics and the top echelon of A10 schools.

I would think the TV networks would bid on that group, especially if you can get maybe one more talented West Coast basketball school to do the same. You could be airing that conference's games for a better part of an entire day.

With that said, it all depends on if "basketball-only" is possible.

I used to think there was a rule against that, but many have since said that no such rule exists.

That said, the key would be getting a conference to accept that deal. Why would the WCC accept all of Gonzaga's sports other than basketball? What's in it for them? Even if they accepted I would think they'd throw them to the curb the minute a better option arose and then Gonzaga would be left scrambling to find a conference for all their other sports other than basketball.

12-12-2012, 07:47 AM	#634 (permalink)
Kevin Waymire 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Cincinnati Age: 25 Posts: 364 Rep Power: 25732	Re: More BCS realignment @AdamZagoria: Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East. __________________ "Miller didn't do anything last year to improve on or surpass Gregory's performance..... In fact it looked just like a Gregory team. Nice start, crappy middle (with every excuse in the book), a decent win or two near the end to get everyone's hopes up, then a dissapointing finish - that is Dayton basketball 2002 - 2012." -KNOBBY

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butlerway Rookie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 715	Re: More BCS realignment So who controls who gets extended an invitation to the Big East? Could the basketball schools simply come together to invite other top basketball schools without football?

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RF1 Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,744 Rep Power: 12506	Re: More BCS realignment The whole problem with dissolving the Big East and starting up a new league is all the litigation that would ensue and the time it would take for everything to sort itself out. The luxury of time may not be there for the BE Catholics. The idea that it is an easy cut and dry process for a league to be dissolved by a faction, the name and rights kept by that faction, monies distributed to everyone's satisfaction, a new league formed along with all its infrastructure and media contracts, and additional teams invited ready when needed is a pipedream. It is a very complicated process with many unknowns that could take many years to be fully settled.

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SDW Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 2128	Re: More BCS realignment What would prevent one of the football schools that wants out of the BE without paying an exit fee - UConn, say - from aligning themselves with the basketball schools and voting the league into dissolution? Saves them the legal hassle, exit fees and 27 month wait period. __________________ Spider Fever...it's spreading.

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DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	Re: More BCS realignment Zags Blog piece That Marquette AD is a tool. Starts talking about national championships and touts Georgetown and Marquette as too good for little ole A10. Wake up dude, you are about to be a mid major if you don't pull off some miracle in the next 6 months! __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

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BmoreX Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 134 Rep Power: 6236	Re: More BCS realignment Going back to Gonzaga... There are football-only members in the Big East. Could there be basketball-only members of a conference? If so, I would definitely consider Gonzaga. They can park their Olympic sports in a West-Coast conference while their basketball team plays in a national conference with the BE Catholics and the top echelon of A10 schools. I would think the TV networks would bid on that group, especially if you can get maybe one more talented West Coast basketball school to do the same. You could be airing that conference's games for a better part of an entire day. With that said, it all depends on if "basketball-only" is possible.

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