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Old 12-12-2012, 09:55 AM   #646 (permalink)
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I used to think there was a rule against that, but many have since said that no such rule exists.

That said, the key would be getting a conference to accept that deal. Why would the WCC accept all of Gonzaga's sports other than basketball? What's in it for them? Even if they accepted I would think they'd throw them to the curb the minute a better option arose and then Gonzaga would be left scrambling to find a conference for all their other sports other than basketball.
Yeah, that's definitely the caveat. I doubt the WCC would want or care about housing Gonzaga's Olympic sports if basketball just up and left. But what about the Big West or some other conference?

I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here.
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Yeah, that's definitely the caveat. I doubt the WCC would want or care about housing Gonzaga's Olympic sports if basketball just up and left. But what about the Big West or some other conference?

I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here.
I sort of doubt any conference would go for that, though some are doing that for football programs even though their conference also offers FBS football. (or at least I think that is what is going on with Boise St.)

Would the A10 do that for some school? I can't see the A10 allowing Xavier, of instance, to jump to the New Big East for example and allowing them to keep all their other sports in the A10. (not that X would given that it would not make geographic sense for their olympic sports, so pure hypothetical, but X is the flagship or one of the, so it makes for a good example in my view)
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@AdamZagoria: OK, I stand corrected. Turns out Temple cannot stop the dissolution of the Big East. Got conflicting info, but source confirms they can't.
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That Marquette AD is a tool. Starts talking about national championships and touts Georgetown and Marquette as too good for little ole A10. Wake up dude, you are about to be a mid major if you don't pull off some miracle in the next 6 months!
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:23 AM   #650 (permalink)
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Re: More BCS realignment

Is Umass considering a return to FCS? I read on AGS that there was even some sort of informal vote today. Can anyone verify this?

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I heard that it was discussed in a faculty senate meeting. There was no vote and any vote there would be non binding anyways. They are upset about the costs of FBS football.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:06 PM   #652 (permalink)
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The A10 has all the power here, even though there are 'fraidy cats at every school about to cave in to the false perception of the basketball only big east members. Here's the truth, without their big football brothers those schools are no better, or in some cases little better, than their A10 peers.

Here's another fact if Xavier, Richmond, Dayton, St. Louis, and whoever else is at the top of their wish list tell them to go f themselves what are they going to do? Stay in their soon to be inferior basketball/football fiasco of a league or recruit the likes of George Mason, some Patriot League schools, and Creighton, and do what? Bend their knee to the lowly A10 because they are in hell.

What our schools should be doing is circling the wagons because literally we are the only option they have. If our big boys choose to substitute some east coast high school gyms for some other east coast high school gyms we'll all lose. If they don't, and are the only conference to show some sack and intelligence we all win...

Instead of a blanket of bids to the Big East Seven, cherry pick. Sorry, Providence we only need one team in Rhode Island. St. Joes doesn't want Nova... no sweat to me. Okay, GW doesn't seem to have any problem with Gtown and now they'll have a local rival and maybe the lone national program out of the group. Invite. St. Johns, NYC, invite, don't care if Fordham dissents (sorry Fordham... but... sorry Fordham). Marquette... invite. DePaulful and Chicago... okay, fine, it's a joke but Chicago is too big and could be a good place for a conference tournament every five years. Who's left? Seton Hall. Nobody wants to go to New Jersey the only state that it's free to enter and they charge you to leave. If Marquette's AD keeps talking smack I'm sure the Horizon or the MVC will take them.

18 team league. And then start a network. FBS football, and sell airtime to all the other "mid-major" leagues. Maybe the Providence grads can catch their much anticipated clash with Bucknell in the new patriot league.
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Re: More BCS realignment

Good comments, Mateer. It would be great if the A-10 stood up as a group. Also, love the comments about New Jersey. It's true! Drive in for free, but you have to pay to get out.
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The A10 has all the power here, even though there are 'fraidy cats at every school about to cave in to the false perception of the basketball only big east members. Here's the truth, without their big football brothers those schools are no better, or in some cases little better, than their A10 peers.

Here's another fact if Xavier, Richmond, Dayton, St. Louis, and whoever else is at the top of their wish list tell them to go f themselves what are they going to do? Stay in their soon to be inferior basketball/football fiasco of a league or recruit the likes of George Mason, some Patriot League schools, and Creighton, and do what? Bend their knee to the lowly A10 because they are in hell.

What our schools should be doing is circling the wagons because literally we are the only option they have. If our big boys choose to substitute some east coast high school gyms for some other east coast high school gyms we'll all lose. If they don't, and are the only conference to show some sack and intelligence we all win...

Instead of a blanket of bids to the Big East Seven, cherry pick. Sorry, Providence we only need one team in Rhode Island. St. Joes doesn't want Nova... no sweat to me. Okay, GW doesn't seem to have any problem with Gtown and now they'll have a local rival and maybe the lone national program out of the group. Invite. St. Johns, NYC, invite, don't care if Fordham dissents (sorry Fordham... but... sorry Fordham). Marquette... invite. DePaulful and Chicago... okay, fine, it's a joke but Chicago is too big and could be a good place for a conference tournament every five years. Who's left? Seton Hall. Nobody wants to go to New Jersey the only state that it's free to enter and they charge you to leave. If Marquette's AD keeps talking smack I'm sure the Horizon or the MVC will take them.

18 team league. And then start a network. FBS football, and sell airtime to all the other "mid-major" leagues. Maybe the Providence grads can catch their much anticipated clash with Bucknell in the new patriot league.
This all sounds great but lets be honest. Xavier has been carrying this conference on its back for years and this will play out however Xavier wants it to.

If Xavier thinks it can get more being aligned with the premiere A10 schools and the BE7, it will happen.

Not trying to be a kiss ass to the Muskies, but it's up to them.
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This all sounds great but lets be honest. Xavier has been carrying this conference on its back for years and this will play out however Xavier wants it to.

If Xavier thinks it can get more being aligned with the premiere A10 schools and the BE7, it will happen.

Not trying to be a kiss ass to the Muskies, but it's up to them.
An extremely true statement I feel. the Xavier AD and president have been running this conference ex officio from all reports for a while now. With Temple leaving, they are the flagship school in the Conference, and will get to decide how this plays out. if the A10 remains as is, or a new conference with 12,16, or 21 teams ends up being formed.
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The A 10 can be as powerful as it wants to be. The conference and it's members have considerable power if and only if they stay together. Any teams that join up with the BEBB7 are going to be the minority in a new conference and will not be calling any shots. That will be very new for some schools.

I know conference affiliation has been sort of like saying you are dating in middle school, but if the conference stands united all of the teams end up better than where they are now. Show some solidarity and hope for the good of man kind! Don't let the BEBB7 ruin this new and improved A10 before it even gets off the ground. Recruits and fans will reward the conference because it will continue to build its brand. There is so much risk in trying to start a new brand and conference that I would hope the top A10 schools realize this conference has helped them too. If they think they are the only reason this conference is what it is they are sadly mistaken. Xavier, Dayton, Richmond, etc. have all been better since and because of their move to this conference and would have been in serious trouble if they had stayed where they were or gone elsewhere.

Basketball players around the nation are continuing to warm to the prospects of playing A10 basketball. Let's not ruin it for the sake of the BEBB7 who are offering a little feelsky while the wife isnt looking. Stay strong guys, those younger ladies always end of leaving for someone else!
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Re: More BCS realignment

You guys are all funny. You all act like these AD's are reading your ideas on this fanboard and will take them into consideration when they start negotiating.... Oooh, I cen hear it now, Mateer over on the basketball Forum A-10 board thinks we should drop Fordham, because, you know, they suck.....

The speculation is fun I suppose, but don't take yourselves too seriously. There are a lot of moving parts and the musical chairs music is far away from stopping.
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With close to 28,000 views of this thread alone I think there is a fair chance an AD has stumbled upon some of these posts.
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That Marquette AD is a tool. Starts talking about national championships and touts Georgetown and Marquette as too good for little ole A10. Wake up dude, you are about to be a mid major if you don't pull off some miracle in the next 6 months!
Marquette's national title is about as relevant as La Salle's. It also happened in part due to a blatant yet uncalled foul to catch and shoot a last second full court heave against the 49ers in the final four game, they didn't really even deserve it.

It's also kind of funny to hear an AD of a program that got into the BE from CUSA not that long ago talk down to the A10 schools.
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With close to 28,000 views of this thread alone I think there is a fair chance an AD has stumbled upon some of these posts.
Ther is a better chance that their spouses are giving them advice before a they give any credit to a board like this that allows the likes of Muddy to have an opinion...
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