jpschmack

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...eying-big-east
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...on-new-league/

jpschmack

Davidson did not drop to D-III football, they dropped to FCS football.

FCS was formerly known as I-AA, and the I-AA schools that did not offer football scholarships were given the unoffical label of I-AAA. So Davidson has Division I FCS non-scholarship football. They're in the same footbal conference as Dayton and Butler.

Bill Russell

Don't let any of that get in the way of Muddy's fantasy of a UD-Kentucky parallel, jp...

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Muddy Waters

There have been a lot of silly posts on this thread, but this one definitely takes the cake:

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It's even referred to as the Dayton rule. After Dayton won a D3 football championship, the NCAA stopped allowing schools that compete in any D1 sports play football in a lower division.

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SDW

Unprovoked face on Mateer by Knobby. I wasn't insinuating that he was an inside source that conference commissioners would read what gets posted here, just that he was ahead of the curve on potential idea for what could be best move by A10. And since what he posted was effectively what was being put forth 10 days later by the A10 commissioner as an acceptable move, felt it was reasonable to give him credit for being forward thinking, especially since so many pooh-poohed it upon original posting. But thanks for your thoughts anyway.

I myself posted that I don't think the BE hoops schools will give up football money without a fight and I still think that is true and that they will try to make a hybrid work for the next 3+ years to give themselves time to figure it all out amidst the changing landscape of things. Dollars are just too much to forgo, unless the so-called 'nuclear option' comes into play.

ACC seems primed to fire at MSG for their tourney should the BE disband though, which is again a good thing for the A10 to have their own tourney 5 miles away in the same weekend. Big time media coverage in the city that weekend. My personal thought is that there is no way ACC goes anywhere but MSG should BE lose that space. The MSG brand is still huge, it's still Manhattan, center of the media universe and that arena is iconic in person and on TV.

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Muddy Waters

NCAA Division III National Football Championship (Wikipedia)

In the 1980 title game, Dayton was an underdog to defending Division III National Champion Ithaca.

Final score: Dayton 63, Ithaca 0.

That upset the smaller Division III schools, and rightfully so, as UD had over 10,000 students at the time.

The Flyers repeated as Division III National Champions in 1989, and runner-up in 1991, after which Dayton was booted out of Division III football and began playing as a Division I non-scholarshipped team, which remains the situation to the present day.


Back to topic ==> More BCS realignment

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Back to Thread:

BE recruits headed to A-10?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ible-breakaway

jpschmack

While the schools aren't that good in basketball:
#1 - There's only like 52 in the Mountain/Pacific Time Zones, so not a ton of options.
It's not like you can do DePaul, Marquette, Xavier, Creighton, BYU and Gonzaga in the west division together.

#2 - Those are big markets; and for TV purposes, without football, they would need strength in numbers and plenty of big market coverage.

The goal would be a conference that could get as close to football money as possible because of its national appeal. Personally, I think a three "conference" TV cartel of non-football schools negotiating TV rights (or starting a network) is a very intelligent venture. I don't think you necessarily need one big superconference to do it. I think it would just take a little vision.

anXUfan

I'm rooting for the A10.

Keith Braswell

"Xavier, Butler and Saint Louis were discussed, according to one source, at Sunday's meeting."

"It's all about the TV package," said one coach. "That's the bottom line. If you make it an all-basketball league and go get Xavier and Butler, it becomes a really good league."

http://www.basketballforum.com/atlan...ible-breakaway

I love this. I am going to laugh my ass off when UD isn't invited.

jpschmack

Why is that so ridiculous? Being in one conference with two divisions like that would be only slightly different than what Gonzaga does now.

Instead of 18 WCC games and 3 OOC trips east to play good opponents like Xavier, Notre Dame, Butler, Illinois, Texas, Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, Baylor, Marquette, and Kansas State (All of whom they've played in road games in the ETZ/CTZ in the last three years), they'd have 16 WCC games, 1 Conference trip east and 2 OOC trips east.

My goodness gracious, how ever could they afford no additional travel expenses with the new, bigger TV deal that conference would bring!?

xudash

Goodman's article mentioned a coach who stated that we'll know sooner than later.

What a ride. A lot at stake.

Muddy Waters

Big East Fate Vexes Catholic schools (Andy Katz and Brett McMurphy, ESPN - December 11, 2012)

The problem for the Catholic seven would be that if they were to venture off without taking the assets and brand name, they would forfeit all the NCAA tournament revenue from the conference and would be left without any start-up to form a new conference.

Then, of course, the seven schools would have to attempt to lure Atlantic-10 members Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler, and possibly Creighton, the latter out of the Missouri Valley, to form a city league that would stretch from St. Louis to Chicago to Milwaukee to Indianapolis to Cincinnati to Dayton to Providence to New York-New Jersey to Philadelphia to Washington, D.C.

The seven Catholic schools have sat idle the past year, assuming the defections wouldn't crush the league, but that was before the most recent departures of Louisville and Rutgers.

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That's where they are now. But in the early 90's they went Division 3 for a few years I believe.

See this for example, it lists Davidson as D-3 from 1990 - 1992: http://www.totalfootballstats.com/Te...ile.asp?id=367

I couldn't find other sources, but it was my recollection from growing up in the area. This happened after the trustees voted to drop and took away all scholarships. I remember this getting news locally at the time.

As another poster mentioned, it appears there is now a rule forbidding that, so it wouldn't be possible anymore.