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jpschmack

That was a really worthless article. Has journalism just gotten appallingly bad, or is it just me? There's absurd statements being thrown out there left and right and no actual information being given. No questions being asked or answered by the reporter that actually REPORT THINGS.

How many Big East articles are going to be written before someone asks an AD of the Big East Seven: "How did Tulane get in if you guys don't want them? Wasn't there a VOTE? What was the outcome of the vote? If it requires a 3/4 majority to add new members, and you seven are against them, wouldn't there need to be 21 yes votes for Tulane? Does the Big East have 21 voting members? Didn't you do this to yourselves? How could you vote to add someone and not realize they suck at basketball?"

xavierhoops

This would be comical... just to see the reactions on here.

Big East basketball head coaches talking about Xavier and Butler. Not a single mention of Dayton from those actually involved in the decision making process. Kind of what we've been saying all along... Dayton is irrelevant nationally. 1 NCAA wins and just a couple appearances in 20+ years will do that to a program.

Aside from the pure joy I'd get from seeing heads explode on here if UD is left in the cold as stated in the article, I hope they'd get an invite to the BE7 plus Xavier league. Have a lot of respect for the university and enjoy the rivalry/comraderie shared by X/UD.

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jpschmack

There's also been zero mention of XAVIER by "those actually involved in the decision making process."

But hey, let's have more Xavier-Dayton headbutting in threads. The rest of us had no idea you disliked eachother.

BmoreX

No AD or President of a conference is going to go on record to say that "we are interested in bringing Team A into our conference" prior to the actual announcement at the podium. It's just not going to happen; anything you hear is going to be from sources.

And for the record, at the end of that post, the guy said he hoped Dayton would join Xavier, if they were added to a new league.

jpschmack

I think you quoted the wrong post.
I grasp that concept. And that's why I made the post mocking someone who assumed a coaches' mention of Xavier and not Dayton actually meant something.

Keith Braswell

"Coaches'mention"???

"Xavier, Butler and Saint Louis were discussed, according to one source, at Sunday's meeting."

I doubt a coach was in the meeting on Sunday.

UD is option #4 from everything I hear. They are far from a lock for a new conference.

jpschmack

So, to clarify, I said:
#1 - everyone but Xavier should be terrified that the Big East splits, because they might get left out (including Dayton, which upset the Dayton folks)
#2 - reporting on this subject has been absolutely dreadful and worthless
#3 - pointing out that Dayton and Xavier guys bickering just because Xavier/Dayton bickering is what X/UD fans do is kind of irritating.

And the response back is an attempt to prove right something I already said I agree with, using the article I labeled worthless to support the statement that I agree with, and Xavier/Dayton bickering just because that's what X/UD fans do?

xavierhoops

Oh boy, jpschmack.

I think most on this board would agree the reaction from the UD crowd on here if UD were left out of any conference realignment would be unprecedented and something that would go down in the A-10 record books.

The article that quotes Big East head coaches and people involved with the Sunday meeting said the BE7 was looking at Xavier, Butler and St Louis. It is indeed, very plausible that UD gets left in the cold. It is evident their attendance numbers and historical success (1950's and 60's) don't carry a whole bunch of weight. I think the BE7 will be pretty selective. Not sure they are going to want to add nationally irrelevant, mediocre basketball programs (as the article would indicate).

I said it earlier and I'll say it again... I hope that isn't the case. I enjoy being in the same league as UD. I have a lot of respect for the university. I enjoy our rivalry. I think they have a number of successful athletic programs. Unfortunately for them, men's basketball which drives everything else has been a very, very mediocre irrelevant program over the past 3 or 4 decades. If they don't get an invite to any potential new BE7+Xavier league, that would be the main reason why.

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AdamtheFlyer

10 teams would be highly unlikely. It essentially forces you into an 18 game league schedule, which limits OOC opportunities that will be so valuable to the new league. Without UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia, and Notre Dame, an 18 game schedule will hurt your league. It's better to play 16 games and add OOC matchups vs good programs.

The most likely outcome is 8 or 12 teams. If it's 8, Xavier gets an invite and the A10 takes a hit but likely adds George Mason and goes on. If it's 12, Xavier, Dayton, SLU, Butler, and someone else get invites.

Don't fall in love with on court performance. It is only part of the discussion, probably smaller than most think. If performance were the deciding factor, Seton Hall and DePaul would be cast aside very quickly. Obviously they aren't going to call Fordham, but every A10 member in the discussion is good enough across the board to get an invite.

And yes, who you are as a school has a place in the discussion, too. If it didn't, the Big 10 would add Florida State and Clemson and everyone would get $40 million per year. It's not solely money. It's maximizing your money with institutions that fit who you are.

The biggest issue is what you bring to the TV package. National recognition helps, but the key issue in a TV deal for a league like this (and the A10) is selling games locally and regionally. Schools that appear on TV throughout their market either on legit over-the-air network affiliates or on regional sports channels jump to the top of the list. If you can't sell your own game locally or regionally, you certainly won't sell a Seton Hall vs Providence game. ESPN is not going to buy exclusive rights to a basketball only league. There's not enough room to show those games or money to be made from them. It's all about regional distribution over several outlets.

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DoubleJayAlum

It is happening. Buckle up ---

@McMurphyESPN: BIg East hoops schools expected to release statement on future plans in coming days. Source told @espn would be an "upset" if they remained

@ESPNAndyKatz: BE hoops schools expected to release statement on future plans in 24-48 hours." our story will be up soon.

DukesDan

Well if on court performance is not a big deal than Duquesne is a lock!

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owlfan2272

At this point I am just ready for it to be over. I don't care if Temple is in a league with garbage right now, just play some basketball.

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Simms

Let's face it, everything depends on Xavier. However, would they honestly leave if they had no idea what type of tv contract the new league would receive?