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Old 12-13-2012, 07:56 AM   #751 (permalink)
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Re: More BCS realignment

If UD was left out of the "new" big east, I think Bmore is correct, the school likes exposure and recruiting students from the east coast. It can get the kids out of chicago, milwaukee, st louis, etc.. no matter what conference its in. The east coast exposure gets them in the heads of kids that might otherwise not consider moving to the midwest for college.

One other thing to consider. If/when this happens, UConn, Cincy, Temple & South Florida are going to need homes for their BBall teams. I'd assume that Memphis joins them, don't know about Boise & SDSU or Houston, Tulane, ECU, SMU, etc... Could be a couple of spots for some BBall only schools, especially if Boise & SDSU remain as football only members. Institutional wise, could be a nice fit for a team like VCU if they considered a BBall only addition or two their conference.
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Same scenario, but different question. Would Creighton have any interest in joining the A10 at that point?
No. My protests and posts notwithstanding, there wasn't administrative support to move to the A10 even before all of this news.

If X, Butler and SLU were gone, you lose two of our Jesuit brethren as well as 3 of the schools that are closest to Omaha geographically. It was the western schools (and Temple) that were the appeal to me and portions of the fanbase all along.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:02 AM   #753 (permalink)
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If UD was left out of the "new" big east, I think Bmore is correct, the school likes exposure and recruiting students from the east coast. It can get the kids out of chicago, milwaukee, st louis, etc.. no matter what conference its in. The east coast exposure gets them in the heads of kids that might otherwise not consider moving to the midwest for college.

One other thing to consider. If/when this happens, UConn, Cincy, Temple & South Florida are going to need homes for their BBall teams. I'd assume that Memphis joins them, don't know about Boise & SDSU or Houston, Tulane, ECU, SMU, etc... Could be a couple of spots for some BBall only schools, especially if Boise & SDSU remain as football only members. Institutional wise, could be a nice fit for a team like VCU if they considered a BBall only addition or two their conference.
I'll be interested to see what happens to Temple. There's been very little chatter which is a bit surprising. Given our administrations history with athletic decisions, it wouldn't surprise me if we get screwed.

I'm still interested to see who get as our next football coach. You'd have to pay me a lot of money to come in and take over this disaster imo. We were an attractive job a couple years ago. Now it's a train wreck again given our still lackluster support and lack of conference.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:03 AM   #754 (permalink)
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Re: More BCS realignment

Take any and all speculation with a truck load of salt, but this guy probably knows more people on the inside than we do.

@VinParise - "Potential major blow to the A-10 is looming with word that Xavier, Dayton & Butler are the top 3 schools the Big East 7 are interested in."
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Plus, let's say the BE takes X, SLU, and Butler. The A10, if they were looking to fill them with replacements, could try and snag Wichita St. and Creighton from the MVC.
I just addressed this, but I'll expound.

If the A10 loses its western schools (X, Slu, Butler and potentially Dayton), I don't see that the A10 would have any appeal to Creighton or Wichita St.

Both of those schools are currently in the top 25 while residing in the Valley, so arguments of increased exposure would seem moot. It was also recently disclosed that the MVC's TV package pays out $300k per conference member, putting it within 50K of the A10's deal (assuming the A10's deal isn't reduced after any departures). The increased travel expenses, which would be even higher than previously estimated due to the departure of all of the western schools, would come close to making that extra $50K a wash I would guess.
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Re: More BCS realignment

It would seem that the TV people would drive the decision to add teams coupled with the $...then up to the conference to determine how many to add. But they would be talking about both at the same time.

In that regard, the maximum TV markets with the least overlap would make the most sense.
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If this happens and St. Louis doesn't get an invite I could see them trying to get into the MVC for the same reasons Double just expounded on.
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Hearing Xavier, Butler, VCU, Dayton, St. Louis, Gonzaga and St. Mary's all among targets to join the former Big East Catholic schools
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Re: More BCS realignment

Good luck to Xavier, Dayton and St Louis in your new league. Thanks for stopping by Butler and VCU. Welcome back Atlantic TEN. Of course we will have to dig deep to find a few schools to get back to that number. I am ill. You can shut this site down now. Traffic will be negligible.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:11 AM   #760 (permalink)
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I bet you see Boise and SDSU returning to the MWC.

As for the others, UC/UConn will beg for an ACC invite. If that's not there, they probably form a new conference with the other incoming Big East schools. Or they join CUSA.
This is why I think a football schools/A10 merger could happen. I think there will be no more moves for a while. The Big 10 still wants ND. Because of this, they won't make the next move. They will wait for the ACC to fall apart first. Florida St. can go to the Big 12 anytime they want, thus, there is no rush for them to do so. They still would prefer to go to the SEC, and can wait a while to see if it can happen, as the Big 12 will always be open for them. Baring an unlikely SEC invite, they seem willing to wait, and see what Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville do for the ACC, before making a jump to the Big 12. The A10 gives UConn an opening to NYC. Let's be honest, UConn and Cincy will call the shots here. What works better for them short term, an independent football league, or joining the A10?

Football league:

UConn
UC
Temple
Memphis
E. Carolina
USF
UCF
Tulane
SMU
Houston

or

UConn
UC
Temple
Memphis
E. Carolina
USF
UCF
UMass
St. Joe's
LaSalle
Bona
Duquesne
GW
Richmond
Fordham
URI

Travel is greatly reduced, with the tournament being held in NYC. You could put the football schools in one division, meaning UConn would still play Memphis, UC, and Temple twice a year. In fact, the schedule would be stronger, as you would be replacing 6 games vs crap schools, with two games vs nearby UMass, and 4 games vs the hoops only schools, with Richmond, and St. Joe's being better most years than the 3 schools being left out.
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This is a sad day for the A10.
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We'll see what happens, but the A-10 has lost members before. I find it hard to believe the BE schools would want as many schools involved as Zagoria is claiming. Let's get George Mason on the horn...
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Re: More BCS realignment

As a Temple fan, I'm annoyed that much like all college basketball fans, the basketball team is going to be put in a worse situation because of football.

The Big East that Temple longed to join is no more. Sure, they'll be in a league with UConn, Cincy, and Memphis, but that's far from what was expected, especially considering those schools would jump to another conference in an instant if asked.

As far as the BE 7, I find it hard to believe that there's not a TV network prompting this action. There's no way these schools don't take this chance if they don't have a TV deal (at least theoretically) in place. And that TV network is probably going to make "suggestions" as to which schools from other conferences to invite.
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Temple, X, Dayton, VCU, Butler, STL - That is not losing members that is losing almost all your strength. The league is now a true mid major. Its done. Nothing to stop it from happening now.
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As a Temple fan, I'm annoyed that much like all college basketball fans, the basketball team is going to be put in a worse situation because of football.

The Big East that Temple longed to join is no more. Sure, they'll be in a league with UConn, Cincy, and Memphis, but that's far from what was expected, especially considering those schools would jump to another conference in an instant if asked.

As far as the BE 7, I find it hard to believe that there's not a TV network prompting this action. There's no way these schools don't take this chance if they don't have a TV deal (at least theoretically) in place. And that TV network is probably going to make "suggestions" as to which schools from other conferences to invite.
I would think CBS and NBC have been in their ear for a while now. They want to grow the brand of their sports channel and develop regional distribution pipelines. It just took this long for the schools to realize this is their best option. They probably saw the nice CBS/NBC/ESPN hybrid deal the A10 got and understand they can get significantly more money for the same type deal. ESPN gets first tier rights to pick what games they want to show nationally, CBS or NBC get the second tier and all regional distribution, and the other gets third tier rights to show games.
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