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Old 11-19-2012, 04:42 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Source: ACC favors UConn, Louisville to replace Maryland


The ACC is leaning heavily toward adding a 14th team to replace Maryland and has two favorites for the spot -- UConn and Louisville -- according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

The ACC is also in talks with South Florida and Cincinnati, according to the source, and could add "pretty quickly." Factors on the decision include geography and television market viability, on-field performance and academic success.

All eyes are on the ACC as it protects its own after the Big Ten poached Maryland, a founding member. The league was blindsided by the move but wasn't totally shocked given Maryland's struggling financial department and the school's administrative turnover without an allegiance to the conference's tradition.

This isn't great timing for the Big East, which is immersed in television negotiations with ESPN, NBC Sports Network and others.

Among the four, Louisville's probably a better football/basketball program pound-for-pound, but UConn is the better TV market.

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TV money is everything, folks. That's why Maryland and Rutgers are going after the golden tickets in the B1G.

If the money is right for UMass, they'll jump ship to the Big East. If the money is right and the Mountain West can get a good TV deal, I think Boise State and San Diego State will stay put.
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As much as the having to play four MAC schools in basketball sucks, TU would be better off in the MAC than in the future Big East.
Not quite. Temple is still better off playing ECU, Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF/USF, etc than CMU, Ball State or Toledo. The make has some really good programs, the conference generates no money and fan interest in most of the games is really low. Temple is best served having all of their sports in one conference -- even if that conference is an upgraded C-USA.

Losing A-10 basketball is tough, but it was the right move regardless of what happens moving forward with realignment.
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Rutgers (and probably UConn) leaving, and now Boise and SDSU may be standing the Big East up.

As I have said all along, the Big East will shrink to a point where the basketball schools realize their best option is dumping the football schools altogether. Northeast football footprint gone, western expansion is likely to stop at SMU. Whatever they get in their current negotiations, they'll probably get less next time, if the football league even exists.

Bringing a quality 10-12 team hoops league in major markets like NYC, Philly, DC, and Chicago would bring good money. It would dwarf what the A10 gets because people actually want to watch their big market teams. And you're splitting it 10 ways, not 14-18. It would be an immediate drop, but over time building a strong and lasting brand will bring more money than constantly looking for worse and worse football programs to carry your jock.

The A10 proved their are really good options for a non-football league. Don't think the Big East basketball schools didn't pay attention.
Incorrect... You do realize that Philadelphia, DC, NYC are already in the market. They wouldn't receive a larger contract. Which media outlet is out there to do it?
ESPN.. no they have already stated they have so many conference obligations/contracts out there (another reason why they are balking at the Big East). NBC.. maybe but they have contracts in place with several conferences and figured to the conference that wants to sign the Big East. Fox.. West coast bias and deals with the Pac 12 and Big 12. CBS.. maybe but has a lot of conference obligations already also.

The risk is not even worth it especially with the exposure that the A-10 has currently. The improvement simply isn't worth it. The Boards would simply never allow that risk. The loss of money would be huge from the start. A newly formed basketball only conference revenue would take years to make up the loss in cash to pay the exit fee.

In addition, the basketball schools would not dump the football schools because for even as bad as the football school are, they bring in the money. Not basketball... Especially considering the schools that would look to do this Georgetown and Marquette are really the big improvement. I mean Providence and DePaul are bottom feeders. Seton Hall, Villanova and St Johns are middle level teams at best in the new A-10.

If something happens, the percentages are they would join the A-10. Notre Dame already did the due diligence on the possibilities and they determined it wasn't worth it.
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Re: More BCS realignment

Rumors now that BYU could join the Big East:

http://tracking.si.com/2012/11/19/uc.../?xid=si_ncaaf
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Rumors now that BYU could join the Big East:

http://tracking.si.com/2012/11/19/uc.../?xid=si_ncaaf
Hopefully Boise State, San Diego State and BYU come to their senses and rejoin the MWC. I really don't see much benefit to joining the Big East. The teams left in it on the football side just don't matter enough.
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i saw BYU,San Diego St and Boise St in discussion to rejoin/join MWC


this was from 8:30 tonight
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...rn-sources-say
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i saw BYU,San Diego St and Boise St in discussion to rejoin/join MWC


this was from 8:30 tonight
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...rn-sources-say
If I were SMU and Houston, I would probably be making some calls and seeing if the MWC is interested. It's a slightly better geographic fit, and (assuming only football matters, which seems to be the case), if those three decide to jump off the sinking ship that is the Big East.

This all sucks. I don't really care much about football, and, despite being from a Big 10 area, always cared way more about the Big East. Football: big money, concussions, frat bros, and debilitating leg injuries. Screw it.
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By the way, why doesn't the ACC just start it's own network and have a much bigger cable presence than the Big 10 with or without Maryland/Rutgers. Can't be that hard and they have basically the entire Eastern Seaboard's population to sell to. I suspect more people in NYC care about Syracuse then Rutgers anyway.

Or is it easier to just flee in fear? It's weird every conference but the big 10, thinks being proactive is poaching other teams, instead of increasing the value of who they are... (well okay... then they poach other teams).
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Re: More BCS realignment

It's actually like bracketology. It's not gonna stop until you have the 4X16. There's just no reason for it to stop now that it is in motion, like a house of cards tumbling to the ground. So the question is, what are the 64 programs that are going to make it in? Beyond that, there should be some room for a couple of terrific mainly basketball conferences (whose members could or could not play football but wouldn't make much money, if any, off it, anyway). I have no clue which programs will be the winners or losers, but it seems like the NCAA could be screwed.
edit: But I give credit to McGlade. The A10 did what it could to position itself as one of the premier basketball only conferences, its only option.
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Why would anyone want to join the Big East (BYU or otherwise) when its league institutions are paying millions to escape from it for something better? The teams in that league cannot exit fast enough. Who boards a sinking ship if their minds are straight? TCU ran home to mama before they even stepped foot on the Big East campus and for good reason.

With the new playoff, the MWC is now on the same footing as the Big East. All of these teams that planned to make cross-country trips merely to secure BCS automatic bid credentials are now in the position to get the same payoff by just joining (or returning to) the Mountain West.

With Rutgers gone, UConn is now ready to jump through rings of fire to get out of that league and into the ACC. Louisville has already made it publicly known they want out as soon as someone offers them an invitation elsewhere. So they have zero interest in staying put if they can help it.

Florida State was the other school besides Maryland to vote against the $50M ACC buyout clause. The Noles want out of the ACC.

If UConn and Rutgers leave the Big East, only Louisville and UC are left with any football pedigree that has ties to anything Eastern. Not good enough to sustain that league. Both would want out too if they are left holding the bag.

Would not be surprised to see the likes of Boise St, SDSU, Houston, Memphis, UCF, etc litigate their way out of the Big East based on false pretense. They joined the league based on a framework of expectations of league affiliations and members. The league they will be arriving to will be vastly different than the league they agreed to join. Some sort of breach of contract or out-clause would seem rather appropriate.

All of these schools are jockeying for position because of football, and yet only the Notre Dames and Texas' and Michigans and Alabamas of the world even make a profit on football in spite of all of this TV money and revenue sharing. The list of college football blue bloods with a financial gravy train is short and distinguished. It certainly isn't Maryland, Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boise St, San Diego State, etc.
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What? We sent you in first! When everyone slowly leaves the Big East, we'll come and take over! Like Conference USA did!

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i saw BYU,San Diego St and Boise St in discussion to rejoin/join MWC
That was hilariously denied by SDSU. Their AD's quote is priceless. He says: We didn't talk to the MWC! Boise didn't talk to the MWC! BYU didn't talk to the MWC!" Uh, how would you know if they've talked to the MWC unless you were talking about conference affiliations together?

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If I were SMU and Houston, I would probably be making some calls and seeing if the MWC is interested.
Houston has an out-clause with the Big East. If Houston isn't guaranteed a certain cut of TV revenue, they can bolt penalty free.

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By the way, why doesn't the ACC just start it's own network and have a much bigger cable presence than the Big 10 with or without Maryland/Rutgers. Can't be that hard and they have basically the entire Eastern Seaboard's population to sell to. I suspect more people in NYC care about Syracuse then Rutgers anyway.

Or is it easier to just flee in fear? It's weird every conference but the big 10, thinks being proactive is poaching other teams, instead of increasing the value of who they are... (well okay... then they poach other teams).
#1 - The ACC schools have half the enrollment of the Big Ten schools. The Big Ten is churning out twice the grads/TV customers the ACC is.

#2 - The Big Ten schools are pretty much THE SCHOOL in the state.
While there's tons of schools in OH, VA, NC, MA, and PA, Ohio State and Penn State are THE schools in their states.
Three ACC schools share their states with SEC schools (FL, GA, SC).
There's 5 other BCS football schools in the Big Ten's footprint.
There's 10 other BCS football schools in the ACC's footprint.

There's no reason for the ACC to assume the risk if ESPN's giving them something close to the Big Ten's revenues.

#3 - The Pac-12 can do it because of the vast spread of cities in the West and far fewer schools. There's very little competition in CA, OR, WA, AZ, CO, UT compared to the ACC/Big Ten. Only about 44 schools in the PT/MT time zones. The other 300 are in the CT/ET time zones.
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I’l break my thoughts into two posts on how the changes in football will affect basketball and thus the A-10

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It seems clear that NCAA football is headed toward five major superconferences – SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12 and PAC-10 – of about 16 teams each and a few second-tier Division 1 leagues (MVC, MAC, C-USA).

The big question for the A-10 is, does this start to affect basketball in a big way.

I could easily see these football superconferences eventually trying to dictate in college basketball, too. Shut out the schools that don’t play Division 1 football (if that ever happens I will stop watching college sports altogether). Create a tournament for themselves to lock in even more money.

Such a power play may be a few years down the road, but given all the lust for every extra dime, it certainly cannot be ruled out. Schools have shown no compunction in football about destroying long rivalries and settled tradition. Just look at Maryland leaving the ACC.

How does it affect the A-10?

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So then, what about the A-10. Let’s assume the NCAA basketball structure is not affected much by the sea change in college football.

The A-10 has 16 teams now. We lose two after this year to put us at 14.

I think it is inevitable that the Big East basketball teams separate from the remaining football teams. I could see UConn ending up in the ACC, and Lousville (ACC or SEC), Cincy (Big 12) and South Florida (SEC, ACC or Big 12) ending up in new homes.

That would leave the seven remaining Big East basketball schools in a fix. Nova, PC, Seton Hall, St Johns, Marquette, Depaul and Georgetown.

A situation like this will set up a struggle with the A-10. Who calls the shots? Do the Big East teams, with the better brand, successfully poach some A-10 schools into their conference?

Or does the A-10 hold firm and try to dictate?

Given what we know about our commissioner, she will be aggressive. If I were in charge, I would try to get the A-10 schools to stick together for the most part. Then I would pick off a couple of Big East schools.

My plan would envision adding Marquette and Villanova, jettisoning Fordham and adding St. Johns.

If UMass leaves, the A-10 could also offer either Depaul, Georgetown or Providence. (As a UMass fan, I do not want to leave the A-10.)

From my perspective, most basketball-only Big East teams don’t add much for the A-10. If we cherry pick a few, that destroys what’s left of Big East basketball and the leftover programs will wither and dry up on the vine.

First, the potential new additions. Marquette strengthens our Midwest presence and provides another rival for SLU, Butler, X and Dayton. The school has a great fanbase and nice arena.

Nova has a nice arena and great tradition and fills the hole left by Temple. In fact, Nova coming to the A-10 and Temple leaving for a disintegrating Big East would give the A-10 an even stronger position in Philly hoops.

The A-10 will also have to be a bit ruthless. Dump Fordham for lack of commitment (new arena) and bring in St. Johns to strengthen our New York City presence.

Beyond that, we really don’t need any other Big East teams.

We have Rhode Island covered and don’t need PC.

We have GW and don’t need Georgetown, another school that lacks a good on-campus arena.

We don’t need Seton Hall to recruit kids from Jersey. The A-10 and the rest of the country have been doing that for years. Seton Hall lacks a nice campus arena and they have long been a league straggler.

Depaul is more attractive because of the Chicago market, but the A-10 should not go beyond 16 members, in my view. The league could get ruthless again and dump another team if it really wants Depaul.

Or we could go to 17 teams and have every team play each other once in league play.

A complicating factor could be the process for the A-10 getting rid of teams. If league bylaws make that too hard, it’s always possible the best schools in the A-10 will join forces with the remaining Big East basketball schools to combine into a 16-team league. They would then keep the Big East brand for basketball.

I favor the first option. Don’t let the Big East basketball schools dictate.

Heck, the league could fold entirely if the A-10 plays hardball. A rump of Georgetown, PC, Seton Hall and Depaul would not be able to create a league to rival the A-10. Maybe we could even help them out by buying their Big East brand for a nice pice of change!

I could easily see those schools fading into mid-major status within a decade. Given all the changes in the college sports landscape, anything is possible.

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I've also seen talk that the ACC might be interested in Georgetown or St. Johns. but I can't see the league inviting in some basketball-only teams. Goes totally against the trend in college football.

Gotta wonder when you hear rumors like that if the schools are spreading them to gain future negotiating leverage - or if it's school supporters spreading the rumors.
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