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Old 12-13-2012, 02:43 PM   #886 (permalink)
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Yeah, but UD could finish in the top half of the new A-10.
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Wouldn't the best case scenario for Xavier to be to stay in an A-10 that adds Georgetown/Nova/Marquette/St. Johns? The other three schools don't add anything. Xavier then wouldn't have to pay any exit fees and forfeit their share of NCAA units. I have no idea what majority needs to be reached to raise the exit fee, but that would be a nice signal to the BE7 that they don't necessarily hold all the leverage. That said, perception is reality and I'm sure they'll just poach who they want.
The problem is that the BE7 have to stick together to dissolve the BE or whatever way they come up with. Providence, Seton Hall, and Depaul aren't going to vote to leave IF think they'll be left out of the new league.
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That's what I'm saying. Why in the WORLD is ANYONE allowing Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul to dictate anything? Those seven schools are the ones on an island. X has a nice, cushy situation here. Meet the terms of the A-10 or rot together, "BE7".
Exactly. If you're Georgetown and all the A-10 players have decided to stay put and put their money where their mouth is by raising the exit fee, aren't you better off joining the A-10 with say Nova rather than a league with the BE7 plus George Mason, Sienna, and Creighton?

If I'm McGlade I'm pushing to raise the exit fee and tell the desirable 4 BE teams that we'll take the first two to come on board.
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Guys, the Catholic 7 are not ditching each other. It's just not happening. They've been with each other for a long time (for the most part...). Once you realize that, then you can try and figure out what they'll do next.

I do not blame them one bit for not wanting to join the "A21." It's just not feasible financially.
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The academic index for football?

The other thing about the PL is their Lax programs. It's definitely becoming one of the better Lax conferences in the country. Especially with the addition of Loyola.
The academic index is ridiculous, but became less of an issue for most PL schools as it is now the same for all across the board and set to the AI of the school with the lowest numbers. It first was brought up as an unfair advantage when we won the PL in 2002 (funny, it was not an issue when we were getting spanked between 1989 and 2000). It then got brough up again when we won it in 2007 and they decided on the same AI for all schools.

Agreed on LAX. If Fordham added LAX I'd be more ok with a move to the PL. I hate the idea of going there again b/c we did the first time around for football and it ruined most of our sports and also skewed teh thinking of some of our admin.
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Wouldn't the best case scenario for Xavier to be to stay in an A-10 that adds Georgetown/Nova/Marquette/St. Johns? The other three schools don't add anything. Xavier then wouldn't have to pay any exit fees and forfeit their share of NCAA units. I have no idea what majority needs to be reached to raise the exit fee, but that would be a nice signal to the BE7 that they don't necessarily hold all the leverage. That said, perception is reality and I'm sure they'll just poach who they want.
Because if X doesn't go UD, Butler, SLU, etc will gladly take their spot. The money will be more and split less ways with the BE 7. Add to that, the preception for recruiting players and students is better.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...7/?sf7855890=1

"The two spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because the talks were supposed to remain confidential."

While the story was certainly no secret, is this not an indication that people, in general, suck? Does anyone have any integrity anymore?

And this story adds nothing to what's been tossed around on this board for the last 24 hours anyway.
Correct that story does not really state anything
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Guys, the Catholic 7 are not ditching each other.
That would get interesting if the rumored A10 schools took a stand and told them to join us or rot together. Again, picture five years down the road and Providence trying to justifying renting the DDC for a Saint Louis or Dayton game. Once that Big East luster wears away, that league will look shockingly like the A-10.
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What motivation would those who are to be selected have in taking a "stand"? That makes no sense.

Butler has played as many conference games with Georgetown and Villanova as they have with St Josephs and UMass.
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Someone asked why X fans want to join with BE-7, rather than remain in the A-10. Here is my answer in no particular order:

1. We don't have to play Fordham ever again.
2. We don't have to play LaSalle ever again.
3. Our recruiting will improve significantly, due to being affiliated with the likes of Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, etc. 5 stars will no longer be able to knock X because they play in the A-10.
4. We will actually be able to keep a coach. I am sick of coaches leaving.
5. More revenue for the bball program
6. More overall national recognition, and the removal of the term "mid-major" and Xavier being in the same sentence.
7. We would essentially be switching positions with UC, who I hate. All they talk about is how great their conference is and how inferior ours is. The exact opposite would be true if we go to new conference.
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I kind of feel like this board has become Lord of the Flies!

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Someone asked why X fans want to join with BE-7, rather than remain in the A-10. Here is my answer in no particular order:

1. We don't have to play Fordham ever again.
2. We don't have to play LaSalle ever again.
3. Our recruiting will improve significantly, due to being affiliated with the likes of Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, etc. 5 stars will no longer be able to knock X because they play in the A-10.
4. We will actually be able to keep a coach. I am sick of coaches leaving.
5. More revenue for the bball program
6. More overall national recognition, and the removal of the term "mid-major" and Xavier being in the same sentence.
7. We would essentially be switching positions with UC, who I hate. All they talk about is how great their conference is and how inferior ours is. The exact opposite would be true if we go to new conference.
Ah come on man LaSalle is definitly improving. NIT homegame and a RPI In the high 20's / low 30s with 2 BCS wins this year. They have been middle of the road for the past few years, and not really an RPI drain anymore. I have a feeling they are going to surprise people this year.

With that said, you have to jump all over a chance to join the BE or whatever the hell it's going to be called
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Someone asked why X fans want to join with BE-7, rather than remain in the A-10. Here is my answer in no particular order:

1. We don't have to play Fordham ever again.
2. We don't have to play LaSalle ever again.
3. Our recruiting will improve significantly, due to being affiliated with the likes of Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, etc. 5 stars will no longer be able to knock X because they play in the A-10.
4. We will actually be able to keep a coach. I am sick of coaches leaving.
5. More revenue for the bball program
6. More overall national recognition, and the removal of the term "mid-major" and Xavier being in the same sentence.
7. We would essentially be switching positions with UC, who I hate. All they talk about is how great their conference is and how inferior ours is. The exact opposite would be true if we go to new conference.
I'll give you 1, 2 & 7.
3. Nova is not recruiting that well of late. Give it time and stars might be knocking X b/c you are not in one of the football playing conferences. The perception of that BE7+ conference in a few years might not be much better than the A10 now.
4. See 3.
5. See 3.
6. See 3.

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but not entirely.
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The funny thing is that the new catholic conference will not be a top echelon bball conference. The BCS conferences will continue to be that. The ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12 will be the final destination of all good coaches because they will be able to pay even more with the football tv money. Also, recruits will want to play in one fo the 4 power conferences before anywhere else. There wont be a ton of money in this catholic conference. Schools like Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, Oklahoma, and Kansas are just going to be more elite.

If you stop considering those schools big east schools they become equal to mid to top A10 schools.
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Jp, why are you getting so bent out of shape? Asking whether it would benefit UD's basketball program to join the BE7+Xavier (and Butler/SLU) league is now considered "trolling"?
Yes. Because I respect academic standards of Xavier University and the intelligence of it's distinguished alumnae. A statement like "Why would Dayton accept an invite?" is either a sign I've been incorrect in that assessment, or it's trolling to get UD fans riled up and to point out Xavier's superiority in men's basketball.

I previously pointed out that the path Xavier choose in the 90s of MCC/A10 vs Great Midwest was a reason for their success, and that theory was rejected flattly by the very same Xavier fans who are now embracing that concept as the correct path for Dayton.

So, would you rather I assume your fan base is intelligent and devious, or a bunch of ignorant hypocrites?


I apologize for getting off topic. As I respect your intelligence, let me ask you this:
Why would the Big East school leave the possibility of Dayton flourishing in the smaller A-10?
Why would they leave them enough quality prorams like Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Butler, Saint Joe's as a core to beat up on the weaker half and still earn multiple bids to the dance and compete with the new Big East?

If UD's lack of NCAA bids/wins means they aren't good enough to compete in the new Big East; and Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's and DePaul have just as bad, if not worse, resumes as that; how is the new Big East getting enough bids to be a power conference? Wouldn't they be lowering themselves to a level of competition with the A-10?

Wouldn't the better method for them to a wider expansion with X, SLU, Butler, Dayton, VCU, Richmond and Creighton; wouldn't that cripple the A-10 to non-major status (1-2 bids). Assuming UMass joined the BE football group, the remaining A-10 schools would have Saint Joe's, GW, and five schools with an NCAA at-large since 2000.
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