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Old 12-13-2012, 07:49 PM   #1006 (permalink)
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Me...not so much.
I can certainly see how you might not. But I like the feistiness, and, as a petty person, I don't mind pettiness.
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I find all this Catholic re-alignment discussing void of religion. Suddenly St Joe's and LaSalle are not worthy of being in a Catholic conference being built through the poaching from its current conference by a group dislodging from its? Where is the loyalty? Dump on their facilities all you want but in the spirit of establishing a Catholic league on the basis being discussed I find it disheartening for certain Catholic schools as between the two conferences being labeled un-worthy. I also doubt the president's will agree to label such schools as such and therefore believe if the direction is for a Catholic Conference then all A-10 Catholic schools will have to be invited, warts and all.
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:53 PM   #1008 (permalink)
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I find all this Catholic re-alignment discussing void of religion. Suddenly St Joe's and LaSalle are not worthy of being in a Catholic conference being built through the poaching from its current conference by a group dislodging from its? Where is the loyalty? Dump on their facilities all you want but in the spirit of establishing a Catholic league on the basis being discussed I find it disheartening for certain Catholic schools as between the two conferences being labeled un-worthy. I also doubt the president's will agree to label such school as such and therefore believe if the direction is for a Catholic Conference then all A-10 Catholic school will have to be invited, warts and all.
That's just not reality. Yes, the Big East 7 are all Catholic institutions, but it's not their Catholicism that's driving this discussion. It's being driven by the desire to create the best (and therefore most lucrative) basketball conference, consisting of schools who have the facilities, market, fanbase and commitment to basketball excellence without the interference of annoying football schools. That's why Butler is apparently right near the top of the list of targets.
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I find all this Catholic re-alignment discussing void of religion. Suddenly St Joe's and LaSalle are not worthy of being in a Catholic conference being built through the poaching from its current conference by a group dislodging from its? Where is the loyalty? Dump on their facilities all you want but in the spirit of establishing a Catholic league on the basis being discussed I find it disheartening for certain Catholic schools as between the two conferences being labeled un-worthy. I also doubt the president's will agree to label such school as such and therefore believe if the direction is for a Catholic Conference then all A-10 Catholic school will have to be invited, warts and all.
the conference would be huge, an impossibility!
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That quote by Collier is basically verbatim to what he said days before announcing the A10 move.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:04 PM   #1011 (permalink)
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As I mentioned in my previous post, Milwaukee media reporting Xavier and Butler will leave A-10 next season.
As I mentioned, the same article doesn't say nine teams, it says 10 or 12 teams and specifically mentioned Dayton.

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I'll give $500 to your favorite charity if without Temple, Xavier and Butler, the A-10 gets 4 bids to the NCAA. (As you said in a previous post, the A-10 only averages 3... and 2 out of those 3 are Xavier and Temple!!)
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But I will ask again, where you came to your conclusions that the BE7+ conference including Georgetown, Marquette, Xavier, Butler, St Louis and Villanova could only muster 3-4 NCAA bids, but a crippled A-10 without Temple, Butler, St Louis and Xavier would earn an equally impressive 2-4 bids?
That wasn't a conclusion. I don't recall saying "a crippled A-10 without Temple, Butler, St Louis and Xavier would earn an equally impressive 2-4 bids" I recall saying if if we add George Mason, "we might get 2-4 bids ourselves."

The A-10 averages 3 bids per season. Since X joined the league, Temple and Xavier have accounted for less than half of those bids. If Dayton, Bona, URI, UMass, GW, SJU and Richmond* have brought over 1.6 bids per season in the last 17 years while members of the A-10, getting two bids a season is probably going to be routine if that's how this shakes out.

That also doesn't factor in Richmond, VCU and George Mason's CAA bids. I think VCU and George Mason can replace Xavier. After all, they've made it to the Final Four, and you haven't (ZING!).

(The A-10 also saw the average drop under their ridiculous OOC schedule policy in the 2000-2005 era -- Oh, forgive me. They're ADs and commissioners and I'm just a guy on a message board. That must have been brilliant scheduling policy!)

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So why don't they just select and seed all the teams according to "the math on the printouts."
For the most part, they do: Teams 80 to 345 have never gotten an at-large bid.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:10 PM   #1012 (permalink)
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The examples you are giving are similar to a Conservative Republican denying the likelihood of Global Warming on a day in July when the temperature doesn't exceed 73 degrees or a day in March when the mercury dips to single digits.

Just as "Climate" is measured by averages over a 30-year period of time, the health of a basketball program is determined by a consistency shown over a period of a decade or more at least.

Look back at the records of LaSalle, Duquesne, and Fordham since their entrance into the A-10 and THEN ask the rest of us why you sometimes see posts that you don't like about your school's basketball programs.
Missing my point..the team is going in the right direction finally its time to lay off a bit. Our rpi is 34 not 300 and we have made some progress and become a middle of the pack team while moving forward slowly. The bashing is counter productive
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I find all this Catholic re-alignment discussing void of religion. Suddenly St Joe's and LaSalle are not worthy of being in a Catholic conference being built through the poaching from its current conference by a group dislodging from its? Where is the loyalty? Dump on their facilities all you want but in the spirit of establishing a Catholic league on the basis being discussed I find it disheartening for certain Catholic schools as between the two conferences being labeled un-worthy. I also doubt the president's will agree to label such schools as such and therefore believe if the direction is for a Catholic Conference then all A-10 Catholic schools will have to be invited, warts and all.
"Catholic" is just a quick easy term becuase "Big East Schools Without FBS Football" or "Big East Basketball-Only Schools" is cumbersome.

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^^I got it from David Woods' twitter citing Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel... only mentioned X/Butler.

Like I've said all along, I hope it's 10 (or even 12). Would love UD, SLU or Creighton to join X and Butler in new league.
Ah, I see now and with draw my chippy post-play.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:17 PM   #1014 (permalink)
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^Yea, I probably can't follow your logic because you go from Myles Brand to Mark Cuban to attempted "zing's" towards Xavier about VCU making a Final 4 to people with power not being smart... all in a thread about conference realignment. I see half your post was deleted.. but wow. The original was a real treat.
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Anyway, I'm going to bed.. I'll be interested to see what conference everyone is allegedly in come morning...
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:35 PM   #1016 (permalink)
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My point exactly. Dayton can't compete for championships or get even semi-regular bids to the NCAA in the A-10. They clearly, then, won't be competing for conference championships or getting NCAA bids in the new conference either.

As I asked, why would Dayton not want to stay in the watered-down A-10, dominate the league, be the A-10 flagship (along w/ VCU assuming they stayed), beef up OOC games and continue grabbing a couple good OOC wins... and get invitations to the Dance regularly.

But, when I suggested that, I immediately get accused of "trolling" by jpshmack.

If Dayton got left out, which is a possibility, it's certainly not the worse thing in the world for them and could actually benefit the on-the-floor success of their basketball program.
I think we partially agree. There's no way of knowing for sure either way (that UD would finally rise up in a "weakened" A10 or falter in a BE7). I like the direction Archie is taking this program so past A10 performance under BG doesn't necessarily equal same results under Archie. He had a paper thin team last year and competed. I think this year's team competes for a Top 5 spot.

As far as your discussion with jp...he's right. Given his scenario, that A10 can still get 4 in in it's best year, 2 in on it's worst. Ideally, I hope UD doesn't get left out (only shot is if it's a 12 team league imo) for the money alone, but it's not a program crippler if we get stuck in the A10 and the A10 brings in a couple more teams (Creighton, George Mason, ect.). To rehash an old argument, it's debateable that Butler would have NEVER made that second NC run had then been in just about any conference other then the Horizon that year. Kudos, they did it, but had they been in the A10 that year, probably an NIT team.

Anyhow, I think this thing is far from being a done deal, even for X at this point. Way too many variables still to be ironed out by the BE7 teams alone.
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^Yea, I probably can't follow your logic because you go from Myles Brand to Mark Cuban to attempted "zing's" towards Xavier about VCU making a Final 4 to people with power not being smart... all in a thread about conference realignment. I see half your post was deleted.. but wow. The original was a real treat.
Yeah, I hacked that post because once you mentioned the tweet, I kinda felt like an ass. I thought you had read the link to the MJS story because I posted it (around post #940-970 somewhere).

I really need to chop down my posts from long rants, which get misconstrued due to skimming and stick with one-line smart-ass jabs.

Goodnight, XH!
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:48 PM   #1018 (permalink)
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I don't see this being a problem. Dayton certainly wouldn't hold a grudge if X left the A10, like Kansas seems to have done with Missouri.

Despite how our fans might lash out at each other, the administrations of the two schools are very friendly. I'd hate to see our home and home series end, but it's certainly one of the possibilities. The series ending or moving forward sporadically doesn't seem likely.
I agree with Gormin and you.

A New Year's Eve game every year to packed houses on both campuses.

That will keep the fun - a good rivalry - going.
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I think we partially agree. There's no way of knowing for sure either way (that UD would finally rise up in a "weakened" A10 or falter in a BE7). I like the direction Archie is taking this program so past A10 performance under BG doesn't necessarily equal same results under Archie. He had a paper thin team last year and competed. I think this year's team competes for a Top 5 spot.

As far as your discussion with jp...he's right. Given his scenario, that A10 can still get 4 in in it's best year, 2 in on it's worst. Ideally, I hope UD doesn't get left out (only shot is if it's a 12 team league imo) for the money alone, but it's not a program crippler if we get stuck in the A10 and the A10 brings in a couple more teams (Creighton, George Mason, ect.). To rehash an old argument, it's debateable that Butler would have NEVER made that second NC run had then been in just about any conference other then the Horizon that year. Kudos, they did it, but had they been in the A10 that year, probably an NIT team.

Anyhow, I think this thing is far from being a done deal, even for X at this point. Way too many variables still to be ironed out by the BE7 teams alone.
That team was absolutely unbeatable after Valentines Day. There was no one in this conference (or just about every conference, which of course is why they were able to win 5 games) that would've stopped than run, so no that is absurdly false. Christ, they weren't even close to the cut line - it was a 8-seed year.
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That quote by Collier is basically verbatim to what he said days before announcing the A10 move.
Interesting.

At Creighton, all questions about realignment, whether directed at coaches or even our athletic director, are being referred directly to our president, Fr. Timothy Lannon. His only comment on the record so far has been a "no comment."

When discussion about a potential move to the A10 was bandied about a year ago, our AD had free reign to comment on the issue and went on every single radio show in town to dispute the claim.

Read into that what you will.
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