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Old 12-14-2012, 08:31 AM   #1081 (permalink)
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From my seat, I dont think these schools want the Big East name. Its tarnished. It no longer means what it once did. The football schools and defections have rendered the name pointless. They have cannibalized its reputation permanently.

I especially dont think the A10 schools want that name. Its not an equitable clean start or reboot if the BE 7 schools are bringing their baggage and ID cards with them. If you are Xavier or Dayton or St. Louis, you want a completely clean page to begin from to level the playing field with the 7 BE schools.

People are still connecting the Big East brand to what it once was, not what it is now. The Big East is CUSA. Its like holding on to the Bubble-Up brand. Its days in the soda pop mainstream are over.
Wow, if you think the Big East brand name is not worth anything now you are mistaken. It's like saying the hostess brand name is worthless because it is tarnished by their bankruptcy.

Big East Basketball is one of the best college athletic brands out there. Not having that name will be very detrimental to the success of the new conference.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:35 AM   #1082 (permalink)
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One, do the BE basketball schools get to retain the brand? I think this is a huge issue. Without the brand, the new league doesn't have nearly as much cache. It's very hard to establish a new brand in modern college athletics.
Not sure I agree with that. As just mentioned, the Big East name has become pretty tarnished over the last year or so with Cuse/Pitt etc leaving and watering down the league with the other schools.
While it may be hard to establish a new brand in today's college athletics I think this new conference will have a great chance at doing that.

I think A LOT of people LOVE the idea of a "catholic" or "almost catholic" (if Butler is involved) conference. I think it is VERY easy to build a very recognizable brand based around that, and of course quality basketball.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:38 AM   #1083 (permalink)
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A New York paper said the new league would look to have a team in the Boston market. Hard for me to believe BU or Northeastern would be considered.

Lot of talk and speculation, but how much have top administrators at A-10 and Big East schools actually talked? Someday we will find out ...
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More Patriot League realignment? When will it end??
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:48 AM   #1084 (permalink)
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Like I said before, it's become Lord of the Flies on this board!

I wonder if the A-10 schools who might consider departure will take awhile to decide. Two big questions need to be answered.

One, do the BE basketball schools get to retain the brand? I think this is a huge issue. Without the brand, the new league doesn't have nearly as much cache. It's very hard to establish a new brand in modern college athletics.

Second, will Georgetown continue to lobby the ACC for a deal like Notre Dame got? If The Hoyas are not part of the new Big East basketball conference - whatever it's name is - is it really such a great thing for an A-10 team to make the switch?

Obviously I have no idea how this will all play out, but I think it would be prudent for schools like Xavier to take their time to evaluate the situation. The schools do not have to make a quick decision.
WH, the Georgetown angle adds a whole new dimension to this discussion. Is the Big East Catholic 6 (minus Georgetown) really that attractive? I'm not so sure. Marquette and Villanova are great, but St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul are yawn inducing. Compare those names with XU, Butler, SLU, VCU, Richmond, St Joe's, Dayton, etc. I think the A-10 is easily better - maybe even with Georgetown. 3 Final Fours over the past few years. XU's success. Richmond has made noise. SLU was on the upswing prior to Rick's death. St Joe's seems to be on track. Same with U Mass. The Bonnies seem recovered from the scandal. We do have some weak programs and that is what really kills us (although us Flyers have our hands full with the weak programs).

If the top 4-5 A-10 schools realized that without them, the new Big East is marginal, the whole dynamic would shift. If those schools banded together, and forced the terms of a new conference, you could really have a dynamite league (sadly some A-10 schools would likely be left behind).

I am guessing the Big East tries to divide and conquer the top A-10 schools - starting with XU and Butler. Given the self-centered nature of athletics these days, I am guessing they bolt out of fear that someone else will. Once those pieces go, and I hope they don't, the A-10 holds absolutely no power and everyone that isn't XU/Butler is sitting at home waiting for a call.
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The package is all about the TV money. The new BE Basketball league or the old BE basketball with new members will negoiate with ESPN, etc. for a per team payout. Less teams, more money per team. More teams, more money if ESPN likes it and will pay them the same. I have seen $1.5 mill per team bandied about for a 9 team league. ESPN, etc. have the pot of gold and the ability to sustain your league thru the years. Lest we forget, the NBC deal with ND really started all this years ago. Put together a deal ESPN likes, you get the cash. They run College Sports. You can bet there is a deal on the table right now covering all scenario's.
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IT would take many millions in advertising and brand development to get any where near the recognition of Big East Basketball. The Big East Basketball league is currently a very good league. Many of the defections have not even happened yet!

Cincinnati 0-0 9-0
Syracuse 0-0 8-0
Pittsburgh 0-0 9-1
Georgetown 0-0 8-1
Louisville 0-0 8-1
Notre Dame 0-0 8-1
Connecticut 0-0 7-2
Providence 0-0 7-2
Seton Hall 0-0 7-2
Marquette 0-0 6-2
Rutgers 0-0 6-2
DePaul 0-0 7-3
St. John's 0-0 7-3
South Florida 0-0 5-3
Villanova 0-0 6-4


^^^^^^ These guys are all filling arenas with a Big East logo on the floor.


It is pretty funny to think that teams in this new league are going to get 1.5 million a year. Is that even what they get now and in past years with a conference that is FAR superior to what it is possibly going to be?

I doubt the contract is for anything more than 800,000.

Having fewer memebers is not always a good for a tv contract. Fewer matchups means fewer games to air.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:57 AM   #1087 (permalink)
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Not convinced an all Catholic league means much in terms of religious ideology. Probably means more in just general standards of behavior based on common proverbs. Today's society is increasingly non-denominational and religiously adverse, and more people are moving away from organized religion (as opposed to spirituality), rather than toward it.

We can have a discussion about whether thats good, bad, or indifferent, but its the direction we've been moving in for the last 25 years. It has become a polarizing thread in society, one that fewer and fewer people are identifying with.

Im not advocating schools like UD or St. Joe stop being who they are. But they must recognize the flowing current isnt what it used to be. In that sense, I think purposely narrowing your interests can have unintended consequences.
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I doubt the contract is for anything more than 800,000.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is reporting otherwise saying Marquette would receive at least 1.5 mill from the TV deal.
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That sounds like the Marquette AD feeding them info about what he wants to happen rather than info about what will happen.
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http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...nt-connecticut

Uconn, UC in talks to potentiallys start new national all sports conference with Mountain West Schools.
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A handful of programs have been mentioned as potential targets for the Big East Seven, from the Atlantic 10's Xavier, Butler, Dayton and Saint Louis, to the Valley's Creighton, to the CAA's George Mason, to the WCC's Gonzaga. Only the Musketeers appear to be a near-lock to receive an invitation. Xavier is a geographic and religious fit, plus it boasts high-major facilities and fan support, a winning pedigree and upward momentum. Three to five schools from the above list could join the Big East Seven, but the Musketeers are the most clear-cut asset.
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No kidding. Xavier has succeeded consistently over a period of years and they have earned the opportunity to upgrade their situation. But it's interesting that their on court success is the last thing listed by the author of the quote, when describing their assets to the New Big East.
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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is reporting otherwise saying Marquette would receive at least 1.5 mill from the TV deal.
The same Marquette AD that said the A-10 isn't even close to the remnants of the Big East. Good try there Marquette.

Upper echelon A10 > Upper echelon BE7
Middle A10 > Middle BE7
Lower A10 = Lower BE7

How can he say that when the remnants include Seton Hall and DePaul? Has he not watched college BB since 1988?
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Comments from Brad Stevens...

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I'll continue to talk sh-- about Dayton because you guys don't silence your most vocal representative. And he really is a douche bag of a Dayton fan.
(a) I attempted to "silence" him in the past few months. Did that seem to work? No, He "outed" me as a Xavier fan. The irony.
(b) Unfortunately, the only way for me to silence him would result in me behind bars for the rest of my life.
(c) You could have ended the last sentence without "of a Dayton fan".
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