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Old 12-14-2012, 09:40 AM   #1096 (permalink)
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That sounds like the Marquette AD feeding them info about what he wants to happen rather than info about what will happen.
They didn't quote the AD. Anyway, $1.5 would be cheap to add X and Butler to the 7. I would think much more.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:42 AM   #1097 (permalink)
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The same Marquette AD that said the A-10 isn't even close to the remnants of the Big East. Good try there Marquette.

Upper echelon A10 > Upper echelon BE7
Middle A10 > Middle BE7
Lower A10 = Lower BE7

How can he say that when the remnants include Seton Hall and DePaul? Has he not watched college BB since 1988?
I've read multiple places that have said the new conferences tv deal would be higher then what the be7 are currently getting. I have no idea if that's true or not but at the last the new conferences tv deal will be significantly higher then what the A 10 currently has.

And no the lower A10 does not equal the lower BE7, not even close. That's where the biggest differences between the two conferences is going to be other then money. There won't be any Fordham, RI, GW, ect dragging down the conference. Depaul is clearly the worst of the BE7 and they're bad but aren't as bad as those guys. And there's only 1 of them as opposed to the multiple horrible teams in the A 10 every year.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:47 AM   #1098 (permalink)
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Dayton fans travel much bigger and better than the Billikens.YES - To the Cintas or downtown Cincy maybe
Come on, now, Knobby, you know that isn't true. Why is it that sometimes UD fans call the Palumbo Center, UD Arena East? Because so many UD fans travelled there for a UD game. How many Saint Louis fans travel to Pittsburgh? What about Atlantic City? For Charleston this year, UD fans used up 20% of the arena on their own. Only host Charleston had more.

With that said, I'm not sure that the number of travelling UD fans, or location of UD alumni, has anything to do with who gets selected into the new basketball conference being bandied about.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:50 AM   #1099 (permalink)
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This is true, sweater vests invade Pittsburgh yearly.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:57 AM   #1100 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:59 AM   #1101 (permalink)
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From my seat, I dont think these schools want the Big East name. Its tarnished. It no longer means what it once did. The football schools and defections have rendered the name pointless. They have cannibalized its reputation permanently.

I especially dont think the A10 schools want that name. Its not an equitable clean start or reboot if the BE 7 schools are bringing their baggage and ID cards with them. If you are Xavier or Dayton or St. Louis, you want a completely clean page to begin from to level the playing field with the 7 BE schools.

People are still connecting the Big East brand to what it once was, not what it is now. The Big East is CUSA. Its like holding on to the Bubble-Up brand. Its days in the soda pop mainstream are over.
I won't speak for anyone other than myself. We (XU) currently have a great thing in the A-10. It could even be better with a few minor "alterations." But membership with the BE7 and a couple of other like-minded institutions would even be a step up from that, especially if they included schools like Butler, VCU, Richmond, Creighton, SLU, or Dayton.

To aspire to membership in the best basketball driven conference in the nation should be the goal of any D-1 institution that doesn't have FBS Football. The creation of such a Conference is the important thing, not its name. But the original Big East (and ESPN) branded itself as the best BB-centric Conference going. If that is truly the goal of the new one, then maybe that new Conference, using the core members from the first one, should maintain the name if it is possible.
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This is true, sweater vests invade Pittsburgh yearly.
They show up in good numbers to NY also, both at Rose Hill and at MSG.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:09 AM   #1103 (permalink)
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Re: More BCS realignment

For the folks who comparing the BE7 & to the A10 please consider one thing.

Depaul will do everything in their power to improve their basketball program.
Fordham and Lasalle will be playing in the same run down high school gym twenty years from now.
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Not sure I agree with that. As just mentioned, the Big East name has become pretty tarnished over the last year or so with Cuse/Pitt etc leaving and watering down the league with the other schools.
While it may be hard to establish a new brand in today's college athletics I think this new conference will have a great chance at doing that.

I think A LOT of people LOVE the idea of a "catholic" or "almost catholic" (if Butler is involved) conference. I think it is VERY easy to build a very recognizable brand based around that, and of course quality basketball.
I don't believe the word, 'Catholic,' or any aspect of religion should enter into the creation of this Conference, even if every member of the league were affiliated with that faith. (I am a Xavier grad and a Catholic and I find it off-putting and short-sighted).

Why limit its scope from the very beginning by attributing a limiting factor to its name at its inception? I see Butler, VCU, Richmond, and Wichita State as potentially worthy members of this Conference but they would either have to "suck it up" or "bear the smell" or convert to fit into such a league. It makes no sense to me.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:15 AM   #1105 (permalink)
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Re: More BCS realignment

I am somewhat torn on this - I like the A10 and was looking forward the new rivalries. However I want what would be best for UD BB, so the move to the BE 7 looks like the best option - if it even becomes available.

There are two things that could be problems in the new league for Dayton and other teams not named Xavier. First is the possibility of legal entanglements due to the BE breakup that could end up affecting the new schools. Not sure if that is an issue but one would have to be wary about that.

Second is the fact that the bottom half of the BE7 aren't really all that, yet I would be concerned that the new additions would be considered second class citizens who should be kissing a** just to be associated with Providence, St. Johns, SH and DePaul, let alone the mighty G-Town, Marquette and Nova. Not sure how true that would really be, but those schools have turned their nose up and UD for years now.

Again, not saying those are legitimate, let alone deal killers. Just something to think about.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:17 AM   #1106 (permalink)
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The fact that Dayton fans are using the First 4 games against SLU (St. Louis has recently got tournament games a little later) is kind of strange. None of us want to be excluded...but First 4 vs. Final 4 doesn't help Dayton's cause.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:26 AM   #1107 (permalink)
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For the folks who comparing the BE7 & to the A10 please consider one thing.

Depaul will do everything in their power to improve their basketball program.
Fordham and Lasalle will be playing in the same run down high school gym twenty years from now.
TMan, Depaul has done nothing - other than hiring Purnell - to make themselves even somewhat relevant. They are absolutely horrible. Fordham horrible. Depaul needs to do one thing - and one thing only - to make themselves relevant and that is build an arena in the city. And yet they have not done it for years. They play in an absolutely terrible arena that is nowhere near campus - in traffic, it can be well over an hour drive. It is a horrible experience to watch a game there. Students don't go to the games. No one goes. What are there current plans? They are exploring building an arena near McCormack Place, a giant convention center in no man's land. It is closer to campus than the current place, but I can't imagine any students showing up. Depaul is as serious as Fordham is in improving their hoops team.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:33 AM   #1108 (permalink)
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Sorry but Depaul would crush Fordham. They are 7-3 so far, although weak schedule they have played. Fordham is 1-8. NOt many schools are Fordham-bad.
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I don't believe the word, 'Catholic,' or any aspect of religion should enter into the creation of this Conference, even if every member of the league were affiliated with that faith. (I am a Xavier grad and a Catholic and I find it off-putting and short-sighted).

Why limit its scope from the very beginning by attributing a limiting factor to its name at its inception? I see Butler, VCU, Richmond, and Wichita State as potentially worthy members of this Conference but they would either have to "suck it up" or "bear the smell" or convert to fit into such a league. It makes no sense to me.
It just fits with the centuries old Catholic tradition of pulling out.
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...the bottom half of the BE7 aren't really all that, yet I would be concerned that the new additions would be considered second class citizens who should be kissing a** just to be associated with Providence, St. Johns, SH and DePaul...
Yes!

You are absolutely correct - someone who gets it. If you read the media outlets, the BE7 are the most coveted possession in college sports. Their arrogance is just mindboggling. And yes, they would have you believe that the mere association with the BE7 is them doing you a favor. In reality, Dayton today is better than at least 3 of those 4 programs, and probably St. John's as well.

DePaul, Seton Hall, and Providence are riding the coattails here. And to the poster that said DePaul will do everything in their power to improve their program.. keep telling yourself that. The move to the BigEAST really lit a fire under them, didn't it? [/sarcasm]
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