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Old 12-14-2012, 02:08 PM   #1126 (permalink)
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You're kidding, right? I know GW is down right now, but you are a Bonnies fan and you have no place to rip a program that has been more successful over the last 20 years. I'm glad you had your 1 good year with Nicholson and your 1 good year in the late 90s/early 00s with Bremer, but the school that brought us the Welding scandal and many, many years as the doormat of the A-10 with RPIs in the low 200s has no place ripping a program that has brought the A-10 8 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, including a sweet 16 and a few weeks in the top 10 six-and-a-half years ago.

Personally I would MUCH rather be in a conference with URI than St. Bonnie for that matter.

Get over yourself.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:10 PM   #1127 (permalink)
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Should I go get some torches?
How do we know you're not actually going to the Catholic 7 trying to rip on the rest of the A-10?
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How do we know you're not actually going to the Catholic 7 trying to rip on the rest of the A-10?
At this rate, I'm not sure where SLU is going. Somewhere between the A-10, the Big Priest, the Missouri Valley, or some unknown at this point.

Your guess is as good as mine (probably better, since I'm quite biased).
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At this rate, I'm not sure where SLU is going. Somewhere between the A-10, the Big Priest, the Missouri Valley, or some unknown at this point.

Your guess is as good as mine (probably better, since I'm quite biased).
That's good! I am going to refer to that group that way from now on.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:20 PM   #1130 (permalink)
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Good find! I will re-evaluate my position and side with you. The one serious problem here is that adding Belmont does nothing for the A10's publicity. Despite the quality of the team they put on the court, they lack name recognition.

What about Murray State?
After George Mason (which was a Final Four team in seven years ago), EVERYONE the A-10 could add lacks name recognition.

Murray State got some pub last year because they started 20-0. But by the time we added them to the A-10 (looking like 2014-15), won't that be forgotten?

In the last three seasons, Belmont and Murray State have about the same win total (76 to 75), same number of conference titles/NCAA bids, neither's won an NCAA game.

Belmont is in Nashville and Murray State is a two-hour drive from the closest metro airport.
Since no one really "moves the needle" in terms of name recognition, I'd be looking for the best basketball team in the biggest markets we don't have.

Of course, they might say no thanks if SLU isn't around, making it moot.
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That's good! I am going to refer to that group that way from now on.
Wish I could take credit for that one...but I saw it last night during one of the 111111 or so debates about who's where.
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After George Mason (which was a Final Four team in seven years ago), EVERYONE the A-10 could add lacks name recognition.

Murray State got some pub last year because they started 20-0. But by the time we added them to the A-10 (looking like 2014-15), won't that be forgotten?

In the last three seasons, Belmont and Murray State have about the same win total (76 to 75), same number of conference titles/NCAA bids, neither's won an NCAA game.

Belmont is in Nashville and Murray State is a two-hour drive from the closest metro airport.
Since no one really "moves the needle" in terms of name recognition, I'd be looking for the best basketball team in the biggest markets we don't have.

Of course, they might say no thanks if SLU isn't around, making it moot.
George Mason is also the school Coach Carter had a scholarship to in the movie Coach Carter.

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This is turning into that Twilight Zone episode where all the townspeople turn on each other when they think an alien is living on their street.

I will go get the pitchforks.
I am taking solace in the fact that if our conference, sorry, as our conference implodes there will be all sorts of entertaining infighting. Like the reference Bona Wolf. I'm getting the popcorn.

Are all the home boards dumpster fires too, especially for the bubble teams?
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Wish I could take credit for that one...but I saw it last night during one of the 111111 or so debates about who's where.
Pat Forde got credited for that on the Dan Patrick show today, I think.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:18 PM   #1135 (permalink)
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I can't figure out why 10 would be a good number. It would mean an 18 game schedule.
9, or 12 with divisions, seem to be better conference totals for basketball.
I agree completely. I understand that they MIGHT be thinking:
1. We want to guarantee two match-ups a year amongst our seven for the best TV inventory possible
2. 12 means divisions, which means choosing one each from Dayton/Creighton and Richmond/VCU; which is a messy decision, so why bother?

But I think you can accomplish your goals (and more) without those concerns being a relevant.

1. You don't leave TV dollars on the table because of a map. Just set the schedule to have all TV games you want and don't have divisions (like the BE and A10 have been doing for years).

2. Since you don't have divisions, you can just take the two you want out of Creighton, Dayton and VCU.

Let's say VCU is out because they are big and public and that doesn't fit their model.

I know lots of people will say that "can't work" because seven in the west, five in the east is bad for travel, travel partners, scheduling, etc. But it's NO DIFFERENT than the problems with having five and five in a 10-team league.

One of your travel partners is a crazy pair either way:


7/5 Option 1: MARQ-DEP, CREI-SLU, XAV-DAY, SJU-SHU, NOVA-GT, BUT-PC
7/5 Option 2: MARQ-DEP, CREI-SLU, XAV-DAY, PC-SJU, SHU-NOVA, BUT-GT
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5/5 Option 1: MARQ-DEP, BUT-SLU, SJU-SHU, NOVA-GT, PC-XAV
5/5 Option 2: MARQ-DEP, BUT-XAV, SJU-SHU, NOVA-GT, PC-SLU
5/5 Option 3: MARQ-DEP, BUT-SLU, PC-SJU, SHU-NOVA, GT-XAV
5/5 Option 4: MARQ-DEP, BUT-XAV, PC-SJU, SHU-NOVA, GT-SLU

The only reason to stop at 10 is if adding two schools doesn't add enough TV dollars to cover the extra split. But I think it would. And it also creates less competition for bubble spots as you're further weakening the A-10 and MVC.
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Did I miss somwthing? Is St. Joes in?
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Did I miss somwthing? Is St. Joes in?
If that was a refernece to my travel partner post, SJU was St. John's. Sorry for the confusion
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The guy who had the election figured out, weighs in on the Sagarin numbers and conference strengths.
For those who think the A10 may be as strong as the BE 7, this may change some perceptions.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...orts&seid=auto
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Uhhhhh... that guy is a Xavier fan, bucko. Thanks for the rant, though.

Bona stunk from 2003-2008 as a result of an idiotically inexcusable self-inflicted wound. What's GW's excuse? Just sucking?
That's OK, Bill. Mr. Quebec doesn't have to rely on his whole "welders" bit. He's trashed Bona since the old Voy Forums days. You've just got to roll with it.
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You're kidding, right? I know GW is down right now, but you are a Bonnies fan and you have no place to rip a program that has been more successful over the last 20 years. I'm glad you had your 1 good year with Nicholson and your 1 good year in the late 90s/early 00s with Bremer, but the school that brought us the Welding scandal and many, many years as the doormat of the A-10 with RPIs in the low 200s has no place ripping a program that has brought the A-10 8 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years, including a sweet 16 and a few weeks in the top 10 six-and-a-half years ago.

Personally I would MUCH rather be in a conference with URI than St. Bonnie for that matter.

Get over yourself.
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