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Old 12-15-2012, 12:21 PM   #1156 (permalink)
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It'll happen way before then. Trust me, those bylaws mean nothing.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:52 PM   #1157 (permalink)
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I don't think it has to do with bylaws.. it has to do with the current BE contract still giving them more money then what they probably will get with the new league.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:53 PM   #1158 (permalink)
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It's all about dividing up the NCAA Units. They need to put their ducks in a row with NCAA procedural stuff regarding conference payouts, so they don't screw something up and just lose all that money.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:21 PM   #1159 (permalink)
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Kind of OT, but does anyone know the A10 exit fee? I tried to search for it, but couldn't find it.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:43 PM   #1160 (permalink)
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Somebody had said Temple had to pay $1 million. Whatever it is it pales on comparison to what X will get from tv and far less diluted NCAA units.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:44 PM   #1161 (permalink)
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Apologies for the rant. Assumed throwdownbrown had to be a Bonnie's fan to put down so many programs while not mentioning the Bonnies. Guess I should have just assumed ignorance before malice. My bad.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:55 PM   #1162 (permalink)
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I just want to say much respect to xudash for starting this topic. This entire thread should be archived in the library of the NCAA Headquarters so that future generations may look back and remember conference realignment.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:06 PM   #1163 (permalink)
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Apologies for the rant. Assumed throwdownbrown had to be a Bonnie's fan to put down so many programs while not mentioning the Bonnies. Guess I should have just assumed ignorance before malice. My bad.
Ok. But, you did confirm your opinion of Bona, regardless of who you thought you were addressing.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:06 PM   #1164 (permalink)
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So, is the plan to have 12 or 14 teams? If it's 12 and the above is true, then the A10 could be minimally impacted.
There's rampant speculation. The plan is being formulated by the BE7 now.

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Somebody had said Temple had to pay $1 million. Whatever it is it pales on comparison to what X will get from tv and far less diluted NCAA units.
The A-10 is predominantly "make it, take it" with regards to NCAA units. The SEC and the one-bid leagues share everything evenly. The A-10, CAA and Big East (I don't know about the other BCS leagues) take a cut of it and share that cut equally, but most goes to the team that earned it.

I believe Xavier has been getting about 2/3 of the money they have brought the conference from their NCAA performances; as have all the A-10 teams.

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I just want to say much respect to xudash for starting this topic. This entire thread should be archived in the library of the NCAA Headquarters so that future generations may look back and remember conference realignment.
Conference realignment isn't an event that ends, like World War II. It's more like the concept of War. It always exists. It's nothing more than "capitalism within college athletics." Everyone league is going to try and grow their revenue pie, and get bigger shares of available revenue. And that will go on forever.

To put it in perspective, the first conference was formed in 1896, and the first conference alignment change was in 1906.
The last season without someone changing their conference affiliation for either MBB or FB was 1942.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:55 PM   #1165 (permalink)
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I just want to say much respect to xudash for starting this topic. This entire thread should be archived in the library of the NCAA Headquarters so that future generations may look back and remember conference realignment.
The topic of realignment certainly has provided us a lot of entertainment and good discussion around here.

The schools that invested and understood/understand the importance of maintaining strong athletic programs should do well moving forward.

The schools that didn't get it may be fine institutionally speaking, but may not maximize their full potential.

The people most hurt in this are the fans of those latter schools, who must be frustrated with their leadership for not moving more decisively to build and market a stronger program.

At any rate, thanks for the shoutout vaNtR. If not the archives, then a business case study is screaming to be drafted from all this.

It isn't over yet.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:21 PM   #1166 (permalink)
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BTW - there's a messageboard devoted solely to the issue of conference realignment, with archives as far back as 2003 in some cases: http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:14 AM   #1167 (permalink)
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There's rampant speculation. The plan is being formulated by the BE7 now.



The A-10 is predominantly "make it, take it" with regards to NCAA units. The SEC and the one-bid leagues share everything evenly. The A-10, CAA and Big East (I don't know about the other BCS leagues) take a cut of it and share that cut equally, but most goes to the team that earned it.

I believe Xavier has been getting about 2/3 of the money they have brought the conference from their NCAA performances; as have all the A-10 teams.



Conference realignment isn't an event that ends, like World War II. It's more like the concept of War. It always exists. It's nothing more than "capitalism within college athletics." Everyone league is going to try and grow their revenue pie, and get bigger shares of available revenue. And that will go on forever.

To put it in perspective, the first conference was formed in 1896, and the first conference alignment change was in 1906.
The last season without someone changing their conference affiliation for either MBB or FB was 1942.
The MAC has a hybrid formula with some split evenly and bonus allotments for hitting bench marks.

Never thought the Big East would break-up or see some fans consider going all in to the MAC. They are a minority, some want the Football Big East and some want the status quo, A10/MAC combo. The Football Big East seems way to dicey with the top 2 out of the 3 teams will probably find a new home in the next 27 months. UConn burnt it's bridges with the first round of defections to the ACC. It will be an intersting time during the next few years.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:25 AM   #1168 (permalink)
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BTW - there's a messageboard devoted solely to the issue of conference realignment, with archives as far back as 2003 in some cases: http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/
I was starting to think this was the conference realignment board. If it wasn't that, my 2nd thought was that it was the new CYO Conference Board.

I can fondly recall when this was once the A-10 Board. Whatever happened to it? Did it move?
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Ok. But, you did confirm your opinion of Bona, regardless of who you thought you were addressing.
True. With due respect, I do think 8 NCAAs in the last 20 years marks GW has a better program than most of the A10, even if we are down now. I get very tired of the put downs or of stuff like Dayton fans arguing that facilities are the barometer of a program rather than, you know, actual success on the court.
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True. With due respect, I do think 8 NCAAs in the last 20 years marks GW has a better program than most of the A10, even if we are down now. I get very tired of the put downs or of stuff like Dayton fans arguing that facilities are the barometer of a program rather than, you know, actual success on the court.
But quality of basketball program isn't the sole deciding factor here. It's not even the primary factor.

Let's say the new conference has one more slot, which team would you pick?

Last decade & the NCAAs.
TEAM A: 3 bids, 3 wins
TEAM B: 3 bids, 2 wins
TEAM C: 2 bids, 4 wins
TEAM D: 3 bids, 1 win
TEAM E: 1 bid, 1 win
TEAM F: 1 bid, 0 wins

Teams A-D are close. Do you pick a team that more good seasons, or more good weekends when they had an NCAA season?

Teams E & F have one bid in a decade. So based on the whole "fans saying who's better" thing we have going on here because we're friendly rivals and like to do this to each other…

The BE7 should be trying to decide between St. Joe's (Team A), Richmond (B), GW (Team C) for the last spot.
But they are going to take Team E instead of those three, a Saint Louis team with a resume that St. Bonaventure (Team F) was two possessions away from matching.
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