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jpschmack · 12-18-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DistrictBaller

I don't take any offense to your comments, but I'll attempt to clarify my position on the matter.

VCU as you have mentioned before has experienced its resurgence over the last 10 seasons with the hire of Jeff Capel. In that time VCU has been to 5 out of the last 9 NCAA tournaments, advancing in 3, and the other 2 being 1-point losses to Wake Forest (Chris Paul-led), and UCLA. We've had 2 top 20, first-round NBA draft picks, and progressed very steadily as a program. There is nothing to indicate that we should expect that progression to stall, and in fact we seem to trending upwards.

10 years is a fine and immediately relevant sample size, and we have been better at basketball in that time than either Dayton or Saint Louis. If it's about basketball, we're ahead of those programs. We are not going to be ahead of either X or Butler in that conversation though. That said, these decisions are not just about basketball, and I understand and accept that.

As a large, public institution, VCU does not fit the profile of schools that constitute the catholic, private school conference that seems to be forming. For that reason it is unlikely that VCU will get an invitation. If it's about basketball though, VCU certainly deserves consideration ahead of others that are being mentioned.

For the same reasons, VCU would be well-positioned to be one of the big dogs in the A-10 should it remain in this conference.

That's pretty much my opinion as well.

I think VCU+Dayton for 12 is a no-brainer.

Then again, I'm a Bona fan, so I hope you two stay

DistrictBaller · 12-18-2012, 03:16 PM

You know, I probably come at this from a different angle. X, Dayton, SLU, Butler etc. have done nothing for VCU's success. We have garnered all of those accomplishments on our own apart from them.

For that reason, I'm not all that worried regardless of what happens. We made the jump because we wanted to be associated with schools that have similar or better commitment to basketball in order to make ourselves better. We were quite successful without those schools before, and I'm confident we'll be just fine without them as well.

The appeal of a multi-bid league was the big draw, and while I think that takes a hit, I think we're in a better situation than the CAA regardless. I also happen to think that in the interim, VCU, Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass, La Salle, would all make this league a multi-bid this year without UD, X, or Butler, and likely would in the future as well. I also think VCU has as good a chance if not the best chance to headline those schools in this conference going forward. The A-10 has more historical cache and respect and making that jump is still well-worth the risk regardless of what X, BU, SLU or Dayton do.

We haven't even played a conference game against any of these teams yet, so I don't have the same attachment or dependency on their successes to pump up my school or perceptions about VCU. We have built a national brand with our style of play and success without any of those schools, and I believe we will continue to build on that regardless of who our league mates are.

**El Shaqtus** · 12-18-2012, 03:22 PM

I would like to stay in the A-10 with teams like VCU if SLU botches this round of realignment.

But the "realist" in me says that with no one closer than Duquense, it ain't happening.

vaNtR · 12-18-2012, 08:42 PM

DistrictBaller, what's the football situation like at VCU? Is there no interest in playing eventually at an FBS level? I would honestly love to see VCU added to what's left of the Big East. They would be a very good fit with the schools that remain.

DistrictBaller · 12-18-2012, 09:08 PM

There is no football situation at VCU. There are alums that want it, but it is far too cost-prohibitive with no land to build a stadium near campus.

If football happens at VCU, it would be decades away most likely. We'd also have to start at the FCS level, something most of our fans don't care at all for. There is no guarantee that we'd be successful or that we'd get a FBS invite. That's a lot of money and resources to spend on peewee football.

I get why many love college football and the potential benefits to a university. I don't think it's something that will realistically happen for VCU anytime soon however. There are those among our fan base who would vehemently disagree with me however.

DistrictBaller · 12-18-2012, 09:14 PM

double post

vaNtR · 12-18-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DistrictBaller

There is no football situation at VCU. There are alums that want it, but it is far too cost-prohibitive with no land to build a stadium near campus.

If football happens at VCU, it would be decades away most likely. We'd also have to start at the FCS level, something most of our fans don't care at all for. There is no guarantee that we'd be successful or that we'd get a FBS invite. That's a lot of money and resources to spend on peewee football.

I get why many love college football and the potential benefits to a university. I don't think it's something that will realistically happen for VCU anytime soon however. There are those among our fan base who would vehemently disagree with me however.

That's a real shame. I was aware that VCU wasn't playing football, but I was unsure if a plan of some sort was even in its infancy. I mean look at Charlotte's football program -- talk about building a product fast. I'd like to see VCU follow in their footsteps, albeit selfishly, as I feel they represent an appreciable east coast asset. Regrettably, your program was added after Temple announced an imminent departure. I was really excited to develop a basketball rivalry with your program.

xudash · 12-20-2012, 12:37 PM

Not much new in the attached, but some interesting perspective - - I believe schools like Temple, UMass and Charlotte are going to make out fine in all this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...s=rss_colleges

letsgogdub · 12-20-2012, 12:49 PM

Hey Temple fans, from that Washington Post article it sounds like Aresco is saying that the "Big East" name and the tournament in the Garden are negotiable.

Why would you ever give those up?

Deleo77 · 12-20-2012, 12:53 PM

This is from the Bleacher Report today. It would be kind of interesting if the B.E. football schools formed this 16 team nationwide football conference with two 8-team divisions. If this happened would the 8 teams in the east take on a few regional non-football teams to fill out a 12-14 team conference for sports other than football? Or would they take on the travel budget of heading out west for some of their games? It seems like a tough call - UConn to San Diego State isn't exactly a short flight for your softball team.

From Bleacher Report:

"First, let's say the west included Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, BYU, Houston, SMU and Memphis. Think about the kind of basketball that division could play. Baseball and softball would be very competitive as well.

The eastern division would include Cincinnati, Connecticut, Temple, Navy, East Carolina, Tulane, South Florida and Central Florida. It would also have its fair share of intriguing and competitive match-ups.

This would allow the new "All-American" conference to play its own regional regular season and play occasional cross-division foes, or only play the other division in playoffs or conference tournaments.

It seems like it would be a very good way to build a quality conference."

BmoreX · 12-21-2012, 01:01 PM

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball

A lot of stuff from Xavier's Fr. Graham.

BmoreX · 12-24-2012, 07:24 AM

The latest from Andy Katz:

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1. The presidents and athletic directors of the seven Catholic Big East schools (Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, DePaul) will meet in early January to start extracting the schools, according to a source. The plan for the seven would be to get out for next season, but that's unlikely. A more realistic scenario is to cut out on July 1, 2014, a year before the 27-month exit of July 1, 2015. The lack of a television deal for the 2013-14 men's basketball season is a major concern for the seven. The seven are expected to come together after the holidays to pick a legislative team to orchestrate an exit.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...-exit-strategy

Bill Russell · 12-24-2012, 07:52 AM

[holiday liquor]"The Seven" remind me of the kings of men from Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings". They were seduced by power and money en route to their doom.[/holiday liquor]

DistrictBaller · 12-24-2012, 08:53 AM

[nerdpost]...and Fox Sports has the 'One Ring to rule them all'. Money.[/nerdpost]

...I'm also certain every single team in the A-10 would gladly follow suit if the opportunity arose.

urmite · 12-24-2012, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Russell

[holiday liquor]"The Seven" remind me of the kings of men from Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings". They were seduced by power and money en route to their doom.[/holiday liquor]

Minor geeky point but weren't the 7 greedy dwarves and the 9 power hungry men? Doesn't change your point though...

And I'm sure they see themselves as "The Magnificient Seven".

12-18-2012, 03:16 PM	#1232 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,168 Rep Power: 47841	Re: More BCS realignment You know, I probably come at this from a different angle. X, Dayton, SLU, Butler etc. have done nothing for VCU's success. We have garnered all of those accomplishments on our own apart from them. For that reason, I'm not all that worried regardless of what happens. We made the jump because we wanted to be associated with schools that have similar or better commitment to basketball in order to make ourselves better. We were quite successful without those schools before, and I'm confident we'll be just fine without them as well. The appeal of a multi-bid league was the big draw, and while I think that takes a hit, I think we're in a better situation than the CAA regardless. I also happen to think that in the interim, VCU, Richmond, St. Joe's, UMass, La Salle, would all make this league a multi-bid this year without UD, X, or Butler, and likely would in the future as well. I also think VCU has as good a chance if not the best chance to headline those schools in this conference going forward. The A-10 has more historical cache and respect and making that jump is still well-worth the risk regardless of what X, BU, SLU or Dayton do. We haven't even played a conference game against any of these teams yet, so I don't have the same attachment or dependency on their successes to pump up my school or perceptions about VCU. We have built a national brand with our style of play and success without any of those schools, and I believe we will continue to build on that regardless of who our league mates are. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

12-18-2012, 03:22 PM	#1233 (permalink)
El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,571 Rep Power: 1819770	Re: More BCS realignment I would like to stay in the A-10 with teams like VCU if SLU botches this round of realignment. But the "realist" in me says that with no one closer than Duquense, it ain't happening. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser 2013 BBBL First Loser

12-18-2012, 08:42 PM	#1234 (permalink)
vaNtR Veteran Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,009 Rep Power: 8401	Re: More BCS realignment DistrictBaller, what's the football situation like at VCU? Is there no interest in playing eventually at an FBS level? I would honestly love to see VCU added to what's left of the Big East. They would be a very good fit with the schools that remain.

12-18-2012, 09:08 PM	#1235 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,168 Rep Power: 47841	Re: More BCS realignment There is no football situation at VCU. There are alums that want it, but it is far too cost-prohibitive with no land to build a stadium near campus. If football happens at VCU, it would be decades away most likely. We'd also have to start at the FCS level, something most of our fans don't care at all for. There is no guarantee that we'd be successful or that we'd get a FBS invite. That's a lot of money and resources to spend on peewee football. I get why many love college football and the potential benefits to a university. I don't think it's something that will realistically happen for VCU anytime soon however. There are those among our fan base who would vehemently disagree with me however. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

12-18-2012, 09:14 PM	#1236 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,168 Rep Power: 47841	Re: More BCS realignment double post __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

12-20-2012, 12:37 PM	#1238 (permalink)
xudash Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,302 Rep Power: 39489	Re: More BCS realignment Not much new in the attached, but some interesting perspective - - I believe schools like Temple, UMass and Charlotte are going to make out fine in all this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...s=rss_colleges

12-20-2012, 12:49 PM	#1239 (permalink)
letsgogdub Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 91 Rep Power: 10324	Re: More BCS realignment Hey Temple fans, from that Washington Post article it sounds like Aresco is saying that the "Big East" name and the tournament in the Garden are negotiable. Why would you ever give those up?

12-20-2012, 12:53 PM	#1240 (permalink)
Deleo77 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	Re: More BCS realignment This is from the Bleacher Report today. It would be kind of interesting if the B.E. football schools formed this 16 team nationwide football conference with two 8-team divisions. If this happened would the 8 teams in the east take on a few regional non-football teams to fill out a 12-14 team conference for sports other than football? Or would they take on the travel budget of heading out west for some of their games? It seems like a tough call - UConn to San Diego State isn't exactly a short flight for your softball team. From Bleacher Report: "First, let's say the west included Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, BYU, Houston, SMU and Memphis. Think about the kind of basketball that division could play. Baseball and softball would be very competitive as well. The eastern division would include Cincinnati, Connecticut, Temple, Navy, East Carolina, Tulane, South Florida and Central Florida. It would also have its fair share of intriguing and competitive match-ups. This would allow the new "All-American" conference to play its own regional regular season and play occasional cross-division foes, or only play the other division in playoffs or conference tournaments. It seems like it would be a very good way to build a quality conference."

12-21-2012, 01:01 PM	#1241 (permalink)
BmoreX Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 134 Rep Power: 6236	Re: More BCS realignment http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball A lot of stuff from Xavier's Fr. Graham.

12-24-2012, 07:52 AM	#1243 (permalink)
Bill Russell Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,877 Rep Power: 34346	Re: More BCS realignment [holiday liquor]"The Seven" remind me of the kings of men from Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings". They were seduced by power and money en route to their doom.[/holiday liquor] __________________ www.bonaalumni.com

12-24-2012, 08:53 AM	#1244 (permalink)
DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,168 Rep Power: 47841	Re: More BCS realignment [nerdpost]...and Fox Sports has the 'One Ring to rule them all'. Money.[/nerdpost] ...I'm also certain every single team in the A-10 would gladly follow suit if the opportunity arose. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

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