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Old 11-27-2012, 06:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I would assume Berlin, PA. The original German settlers in Pennsylvania had no creativity with their town names.
Nor were the Irish sometimes- Dublin, Limerick,Derry etc.

But the guy who named Intercourse, Blue Ball, and Bird in Hand,Pa - that guy called it as he saw it!
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Muddy's Observations

(1) There are presently 10 Atlantic 10 teams with RPI Rankings in the Top 75. Outstanding, so far.

(2) There are 4 posts on this thread about pretzels.

(3) xu95 makes a sarcastic reply about the A10 Basketball post, but is happy with the 'pretzel' posts. Not surprising.

(4) The Butler-Hanover game does not count in the RPI Rankings because Hanover is a Division III team.

(5) The RPI Rankings augment the W-L Records and provide additional information.

(6) EXAMPLE # 1: Charlotte's 6-0 record, combined with an RPI Ranking of # 57 indicates that Charlotte's 6-0 record has been compiled against an easy schedule so far.

(7) EXAMPLE # 2: La Salles's 3-1 record, combined with an RPI Ranking of # 137 indicates that La Salles's 3-1 record has been compiled against a rubbish schedule so far.

(8) EXAMPLE # 3: Butler's 3-2 record, combined with an RPI Ranking of # 6 indicates that Butler's 3-2 record record has been compiled against an extremely difficult schedule so far.
Interesting... hence why RPI is an outdated metric and KenPom is a much better judge of a team with variables included.

Delaware and Villanova must be scrub teams

It does speak to how bad the CCSU loss was... Inexcusable...
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Interesting... hence why RPI is an outdated metric and KenPom is a much better judge of a team with variables included.

Delaware and Villanova must be scrub teams

It does speak to how bad the CCSU loss was... Inexcusable...
I say this every year when someone brings this up....when the NCAA starts using Kenpom on selection Sunday and not the RPI, I'll actually start carrying about Kenpom.

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Nor were the Irish sometimes- Dublin, Limerick,Derry etc.

But the guy who named Intercourse, Blue Ball, and Bird in Hand,Pa - that guy called it as he saw it!
Did you know that Maiden Creek went through Virginville?
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I say this every year when someone brings this up....when the NCAA starts using Kenpom on selection Sunday and not the RPI, I'll actually start carrying about Kenpom.

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Haha gotta love when people are admitting to being lazy intellectuals..

I guess you would be a part of the group that would have followed the Church when they said the Earth was flat even though the evidence was overwhelmingly opposite to their contention.

I guess as a person having a higher understanding of statistics and analysis, I would have more of a premium of the KenPom rankings because I understand the variables that it covers that RPI just flat out misses.

But let me put this to you under the most basic, logical situation I can and see if you can see something wrong with this statement:
[I]Would give the same value to a one-point win and a 30-point win./I]
I would think at the most basic level you would agree that shouldn't be the case. Logically, the team with the 30-point win should get more credit. RPI does NOT do this. KenPom does.

When judging a team would you rather look at thousands of possessions or 30 game results?
Basic logic would dictate the larger sample sizes would produce a truer, more accurate judgement. Games are made up of possessions and the results of possessions determine the game.

If you care to learn or have any interest to learn about it:
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...tats_explained
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Your desire to show how intelligent you are is causing you to stubbornly and stupidly miss the point. KenPom rankings are ultimately irrelevant. Their depth and accuracy mean nothing. When the selection committee meets, they don't talk about your wins against the KenPom top 25/50/100, or your bad losses against schools ranked below 200 on KenPom. Your KenPom rank isn't displayed prominently on your team cheat sheet.

If you want to read KenPom and use that to pretend you understand basketball (you clearly don't), go ahead. If you want to talk about what does matter, use RPI.
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Since Butler's RPI on November 27th is 6, their fans might as well go ahead and buy plane tickets to the closest NCAA tournament location. They are a LOCK.

And to answer your comment Muddy, people making fun of Hanover Pretzels is funny, people posting updated RPI stats after approximately 6 games is ludicrous at best.
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I'm sorry, this is Ludicris at best.

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Or the classic "Did you know you have to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise".


Elsewhere, betcha Hanover outdraws 50-75% of this made for TV Thanksgiving week exotic/no atmosphere tournament games.

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Embarrassing for any A10 team to have a DIII team on the regular season schedule. There are dozens and dozens of D1 teams within 200 miles of Butler. Schedule one. Preferably one that can win 15 or more games, but any D1 team will do.

The only good thing is that a loss won't hurt the league, because these games don't count in the RPI. Of course, the guaranteed win won't help, either.
Teams need a gimme sometimes in the preseason. You guys play Arkansas St. And Weber St. Win or lose, those game hurt your RPI in the long run. At least by scheduling your gimmes against non D1 you don't automatically hurt your RPI. It has worked pretty well for us in the past and this will be the last time we will do it per A10 rules.
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Haha gotta love when people are admitting to being lazy intellectuals..

I guess you would be a part of the group that would have followed the Church when they said the Earth was flat even though the evidence was overwhelmingly opposite to their contention.

I guess as a person having a higher understanding of statistics and analysis, I would have more of a premium of the KenPom rankings because I understand the variables that it covers that RPI just flat out misses.

But let me put this to you under the most basic, logical situation I can and see if you can see something wrong with this statement:
[I]Would give the same value to a one-point win and a 30-point win./I]
I would think at the most basic level you would agree that shouldn't be the case. Logically, the team with the 30-point win should get more credit. RPI does NOT do this. KenPom does.

When judging a team would you rather look at thousands of possessions or 30 game results?
Basic logic would dictate the larger sample sizes would produce a truer, more accurate judgement. Games are made up of possessions and the results of possessions determine the game.

If you care to learn or have any interest to learn about it:
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...tats_explained
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I hope I don't have to explain that too you.

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Teams need a gimme sometimes in the preseason. You guys play Arkansas St. And Weber St. Win or lose, those game hurt your RPI in the long run. At least by scheduling your gimmes against non D1 you don't automatically hurt your RPI. It has worked pretty well for us in the past and this will be the last time we will do it per A10 rules.
The goal of those games is to play lesser opponents who will still win a lot of games. Opponent winning % is half of your RPI. Arky State, Weber State, and Manhattan will likely all be RPI boosts.

Playing a D3 school is a joke.
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Atlantic 10 W-L Records - Updated November 27, 2012

Code:
 Charlotte        6-0  
 Temple           3-0  
 Xavier           5-1  
 Dayton           4-1  
 La Salle         3-1  
 St. Bonaventure  3-1  
 St. Joseph's     3-1  
 Richmond         4-2 
 Butler           3-2  
 Saint Louis      3-2  
 VCU              3-3  
 Massachusetts    2-2   
 Duquesne         2-3
 Geo. Washington  2-3 
 Fordham          1-4  
 Rhode Island     1-5

Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - Updated November 27, 2012

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  6 - Butler 
 22 - Saint Louis 
 30 - Dayton 
 39 - St. Joseph's 
 50 - Temple 
 54 - Virginia Commonwealth 
 57 - Charlotte 
 58 - St. Bonaventure 
 63 - Massachusetts 
 73 - Xavier  
137 - La Salle 
151 - Richmond 
166 - Rhode Island 
194 - Duquesne 
295 - Geo. Washington 
314 - Fordham
It is interesting how those RPI rankings have most of the A10 teams that I consider contenders for the league crown near the top(Saint Louis, St. Joseph's, Temple and VCU).
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It is interesting how those RPI rankings have most of the A10 teams that I consider contenders for the league crown near the top(Saint Louis, St. Joseph's, Temple and VCU).
And if they are still near the top in about a month it will mean something. Since half your RPI formula is your opponents winning percentage, it makes little to no sense 6 games into the season. You could play a team that sells themselves for guarantee games in the OOC schedule and loses most of them. However, they could be favored to win their conference. They will pile up a lot of wins in their conference schedule that will make up for the out of conference schedule. 6 games into the season when they are 0-6 they weigh you down, at the end of the season when they are 18-12, they don't weigh you down as much.

Heck Stephen F. Austin is #11 in the RPI right now and until a few days ago, Belmont was #1. That should tell you something about it right there.
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