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JHG722 · 11-27-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by A10BBall

Interesting... hence why RPI is an outdated metric and KenPom is a much better judge of a team with variables included.

Delaware and Villanova must be scrub teams

It does speak to how bad the CCSU loss was... Inexcusable...

Not trying to pump up our win at all, but that UDel team is pretty damn good.

bprichard · 11-27-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FormerlyDawgsStudent

Teams need a gimme sometimes in the preseason. You guys play Arkansas St. And Weber St. Win or lose, those game hurt your RPI in the long run. At least by scheduling your gimmes against non D1 you don't automatically hurt your RPI. It has worked pretty well for us in the past and this will be the last time we will do it per A10 rules.

Well, the thing about playing a D3 team is that a win won't even show up on the record the selection committee sees. If the 0.1% chance of a Butler loss occurs, I'm sure they'll remember.

And this really is just a waste of time. It shows nothing about your team. I guess it's a nice opportunity for walk-ons to get significant minutes. And I wouldn't think your season ticket holders would be all that thrilled either.

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butlerway · 11-27-2012, 04:09 PM

Butler scheduled this game in the middle of August. They lost a few games when they moved to the A10 (the Horizon League plays more conference games), and they had to scramble to find extra games. The A10 approved a waiver for them to play a non Division 1 game because they couldn't find any other reasonable games.

Also, playing a non Division 1 team is better than playing a sub 300 division 1 team. It doesn't bring down that strength of schedule because it isn't included in the RPI. It's only worse if you lose, but really, what are the odds of that?

FormerlyDawgsStudent · 11-27-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

The goal of those games is to play lesser opponents who will still win a lot of games. Opponent winning % is half of your RPI. Arky State, Weber State, and Manhattan will likely all be RPI boosts.

Playing a D3 school is a joke.

I know you think you are a genius scheduler, but I will take two final four runs over impressing you. Dayton in the NCAA tourney is the real joke.

owlfan2272 · 11-27-2012, 04:51 PM

45-35 Butler leads at the half.

xavierhoops · 11-27-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xu95

And if they are still near the top in about a month it will mean something. Since half your RPI formula is your opponents winning percentage, it makes little to no sense 6 games into the season. You could play a team that sells themselves for guarantee games in the OOC schedule and loses most of them. However, they could be favored to win their conference. They will pile up a lot of wins in their conference schedule that will make up for the out of conference schedule. 6 games into the season when they are 0-6 they weigh you down, at the end of the season when they are 18-12, they don't weigh you down as much.

Heck Stephen F. Austin is #11 in the RPI right now and until a few days ago, Belmont was #1. That should tell you something about it right there.

Don't forget Butler is #6. It was the common talking point of UD fans around here that after the Xavier win, it was "laughable" to suggest Butler would end up in the top half of the A-10... and that Butler was just simply not that good.

They don't think Butler can finish 6th in the big, bad A-10 but it's reasonable to talk about RPI rankings 3 weeks into the season that has Butler 6th in the nation!

AdamtheFlyer · 11-27-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops

Don't forget Butler is #6. It was the common talking point of UD fans around here that after the Xavier win, it was "laughable" to suggest Butler would end up in the top half of the A-10... and that Butler was just simply not that good.

They don't think Butler can finish 6th in the big, bad A-10 but it's reasonable to talk about RPI rankings 3 weeks into the season that has Butler 6th in the nation!

This discussion is starting earlier than ever this year. Other than Muddy being Muddy, who is touting the accuracy of RPI at any point in the season?

RPI isn't even measuring team quality, it's measuring your tourney resume. The better RPI teams typically have accomplished more. There's a fine, but important, line between the two. There are mediocre teams that cheat the system every year, same as any formula. Goodness, the often unwarranted love Wisconsin gets from KenPom's formula is legendary.

owlfan2272 · 11-27-2012, 05:55 PM

97-73 Butler defeats Hanover.

xavierhoops · 11-27-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

Other than Muddy being Muddy, who is touting the accuracy of RPI at any point in the season?

UD's resident moderator finds it "interesting" the teams predicted to finish near the top of the A-10 are near the top of the RPI standings 3 weeks into the season therefore inferring RPI being somewhat meaningful/accurate (with the obvious exception of Butler who Dayton fans don't think can win an A-10 game after X easily beat them yet at the Bulldogs are sitting at #6 in the country).

bprichard · 11-27-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by butlerway

Butler scheduled this game in the middle of August. They lost a few games when they moved to the A10 (the Horizon League plays more conference games), and they had to scramble to find extra games. The A10 approved a waiver for them to play a non Division 1 game because they couldn't find any other reasonable games.

Also, playing a non Division 1 team is better than playing a sub 300 division 1 team. It doesn't bring down that strength of schedule because it isn't included in the RPI. It's only worse if you lose, but really, what are the odds of that?

That's a good explanation and I'll accept it. I probably would have just accepted playing less than the maximum number of games, too, but that makes sense.

Probably from a financial standpoint, taking another home game is the only way to go.

A10fan2 · 11-27-2012, 06:30 PM

Do stats for this game count?

butlerway · 11-27-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by owlfan2272

97-73 Butler defeats Hanover.

I know Butler was playing backups a lot of the time and wasn't really motivated on defense, but Hanover exploited this defense in one of the same ways that Illinois did. Butler's front court does not defend the 3 well at all. If you have a 5 that can shoot the 3 you can get him some really good looks off the pick and pop.

butlerway · 11-27-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by A10fan2

Do stats for this game count?

It counts as a regular season game, so I would assume so.

ace93 · 11-28-2012, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bona Wolf for Pope

Snyder's of Hanover is based in Hanover, PA. I realize you may have just been going for the joke, but I'm always willing to flex my south-central PA knowledge.

I live less than an hour south of Hanover, PA, so that I knew. What I had to look up before making my "joke" was where Hanover College is located.

X-band '01 · 11-28-2012, 04:27 AM

Does this mean Pretzel Day is over?

Ghost of Stanley Hudson

11-27-2012, 04:09 PM	#33 (permalink)
butlerway Rookie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 715	Re: 11/27 A-10 Game Butler scheduled this game in the middle of August. They lost a few games when they moved to the A10 (the Horizon League plays more conference games), and they had to scramble to find extra games. The A10 approved a waiver for them to play a non Division 1 game because they couldn't find any other reasonable games. Also, playing a non Division 1 team is better than playing a sub 300 division 1 team. It doesn't bring down that strength of schedule because it isn't included in the RPI. It's only worse if you lose, but really, what are the odds of that?

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