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xudash · 11-30-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bona Wolf for Pope

Chris Mack will probably be available.

Oh, without a doubt!

He's just terrible.

Seriously, if I were SLU, I would go young. Go ahead and take a chance on a perceived up and comer. You get high energy and no health issues. Figure out an assistant coaching solution that makes sense for your recruiting and go from there.

SLU doesn't need a retread approach. In fact, it would open up some money for better assistants. Otherwise, with your new arena in place, once you guys really get going again the money will be there to finance that staff.

Simms · 11-30-2012, 10:07 AM

Well, I just went through the Duquesne search so I can mention some of the names we battered about for weeks until we selected Jim Ferry.

Keith Dambrot (U of Akron coach who everyone wanted. He wouldn't come to Duquesne).

Cleveland State's head coach - Gary Waters - Solid performer but not exactly exciting.

Ohio State's top assistant Jeff Boals.

Kentucky's assistant Orlando Antigua (this was more of a Pittsburgh thing. I don't think he would be a good hire).

Andrew Toole - coach of Robert Morris University. He's young and an alledged up and comer. Still, he has struggled a bit this year so far. Would probably be a good hire.

Groce seems like a reach at best.

WH · 11-30-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BM-GW

Gregg Marshall.

They should start calling him right now.

Marshall is the best college coach in the country not in a BCS league or the A-10. First guy I would go after. If he is off the table, I'd look at some of the MVC coaches, maybe the guy at Murray State.

Bona Wolf for Pope · 11-30-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Simms

Groce seems like a reach at best.

I doubt he'd leave the Illinois job.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-30-2012, 11:46 AM

The best part of every coaching search is throwing names out with no regard to whether they'd even take the job. Gregg Marshall isn't leaving Wichita State for SLU. He's winning big, recruiting well, and they will pay him. That's lateral, if even a slight step down. When he leaves, it will be for a very high profile job. If Texas ever gets smart and dumps Rick Barnes, he'd be the favorite.

SLU will be looking at prime assistants or lower level coaches. Murray State coach Steve Prohm is a possibility, but unlikely.

On another note, I have no idea why Orlando Antigua would ever leave Kentucky. He's got the best gig in the world. Making more money than a good percentage of head coaches, and has zero pressure. His recruiting pitch is to hop a private plane and say "Yeah, we want to offer you" about 8 times per year. I'm sure he probably wants to be a head coach, but as long as Calipari is at Kentucky, Antigua is living better than pretty much every coach ever. My guess is he will be an NBA assistant within 5 years, and then an NBA head coach down the line.

MudFlap · 11-30-2012, 12:00 PM

I don't know how long Mack can hang onto Travis Steele. I'm sure he has had pretty of offers, just not the right one yet.

hawkhill · 11-30-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderInTheMixingBowl

Sarcasm is notoriously hard to detect on the Internet. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are being sarcastic.

Just in case let's do a pros/cons of old Jer.

Pros:
1. Loves to tell anecdotes. He strings them together like popcorn on a string.
2. His first teams at Richmond (with Beilein's players) played tough. Really tough. They had some amazing and near-amazing comebacks from being down 30+ points.
3. He comes up with the occasional good quip. I remember a good one about Phog Allen Fieldhouse.
4. His presentations on Senior Night were outstanding.

Cons:
1. He has demonstrated utter incapacity to manage the relationship between the basketball program and the school administration. He tried playing "Chicken" with the administration with marginally qualified recruits. It ended badly. Really badly.
2. Even his toughest teams still stunk at rebounding. When you consider his grinding style, rebounding is especially important. He knew that and still couldn't fix it.
3. His teams got a lot worse once he was getting his own players. It seemed if he had contracted Danny Nee-itis from this good friend at Duquesne.
4. In recruiting, he does not have a particularly good eye for talent especially in comparison to Mooney. See KA vs Merritt.
5. He does slimy package deals and ends up with some bad staff members.
6. If things go bad, he has a tendency to truly crater the program. If we had not been bailed out by DePaul, we would have been in an abyss. As it was, it took Mooney 3 seasons to turn things around.
7. His record at DePaul.

SLU would be better off keeping Crews than hiring Wainwright.

Sarcasm, some say, should be my middle name. Many a-10 fans (who compete AGAINST the Bills) would love to see Jerry come in!

Lets try another one- is Tom Penders still on the board?

JHG722 · 11-30-2012, 01:02 PM

Keith Dambrot
Rob Senderoff
Geno Ford
Dave Paulsen
Brett Reed
Steve Masiello
Dwayne Stephens
Greg Gard
Travis Steele

duq81 · 11-30-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Simms

Well, I just went through the Duquesne search so I can mention some of the names we battered about for weeks until we selected Jim Ferry.

Keith Dambrot (U of Akron coach who everyone wanted. He wouldn't come to Duquesne).

Dambrot failed in his only job away from Akron. He's an Akron native, and may be one of those guys who is cut out to do well in his home town, but not elsewhere. That may be a reason why he turned down more money from Duquesne to stay at Akron.

antboy · 11-30-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

The best part of every coaching search is throwing names out with no regard to whether they'd even take the job. Gregg Marshall isn't leaving Wichita State for SLU. He's winning big, recruiting well, and they will pay him. That's lateral, if even a slight step down.

I don't know if I'd call that lateral or a step down. SLU has a better conference with more exposure, and better facilities. The money is likely to be equivalent or more, if SLU gave Marshall similar to what they paid Majerus.

But I agree that Marshall can hop to an even bigger gig from WSU, so there's not much incentive of taking the risk to a new position that is a slight step up over just waiting for the big money to come calling. So I would be surprised if they did lure him away. Not that they shouldn't try, you never know what someone will do or what's really going on behind the scenes at other places.

RF1 · 11-30-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkhill

Lets try another one- is Tom Penders still on the board?

Penders is retired from coaching and lives a few miles from the URI campus by the beach with views of Block Island. He has been to many Rhody games since he moved nearby about a year ago. He also wrote a book (Dead Coach Walking: Tom Penders Surviving and Thriving in College Hoops) and has been busy making the rounds promtoing it over the last few months.

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Coach-Wal.../dp/1935806025

RF1 · 11-30-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

Good luck with that. He's going to be perhaps the hottest name on the coaching market this offseason. The only hotter names could be Stevens and Smart, and UCLA is probably the only possible opening those two would consider. Texas would be a very long shot with those two, more likely a spot for Marshall to land. But come mid-March, Gregg Marshall will be attached to damn near every opening.

That is one of the problems in hiring. Competition with other schools for coaches can really wreak havoc with the process. URI was very lucky last season that there were no great open positions in the northeast (many schools has made coaching changes 1-2 years before). If there had been other jobs open such as Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, or Villanova, Hurley likely would have been pursued by those schools and ended up at one them.

STLfan · 11-30-2012, 03:08 PM

Here is my list for the moment.

1. Throw our best offer at Steve Prohm and see if we can steal him from Murray St. Might be a long shot but I don't know what Murray pays or can pay and the A10 is definitely a step up in conference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Prohm

2. Jeff Capel, Took VCU and OU to the tournament, is young, can recruit, and spent last season and this year as an assistant at Duke.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Capel

3. Tim Fuller, Associate head coach at Mizzou. Was also an assistant under some impressive coaches with Ed Cooley, Rick Pitino, and Skip Prosser. Very good recruiter. Named one of the top assistants under 40. Good video interview on his profile.
http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-bas...ler_tim00.html

4. Matthew Graves, Associate head coach at Butler. Has learned from one the best young coaches in Stevens, knows the area, and what it takes to win at a similar school. With it looking like Stevens is going to be at Butler for a while he will have to go elsewhere to be a head coach. Like Fuller he was named one of the top assistants under 40.
http://www.butlersports.com/sports/m...matthew00.html

DistrictBaller · 11-30-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by antboy

I don't know if I'd call that lateral or a step down. SLU has a better conference with more exposure, and better facilities. The money is likely to be equivalent or more, if SLU gave Marshall similar to what they paid Majerus.

But I agree that Marshall can hop to an even bigger gig from WSU, so there's not much incentive of taking the risk to a new position that is a slight step up over just waiting for the big money to come calling. So I would be surprised if they did lure him away. Not that they shouldn't try, you never know what someone will do or what's really going on behind the scenes at other places.

While the A-10 is a better conference than the Missouri Valley, the difference is pretty negligible in the grand scheme.

He has had offers from much more esteemed positions like NC State, South Carolina, and Tennessee and stayed put.

It may be a surprise to most Saint Louis fans, but Wichita State has more resources at its disposal than Saint Louis and much more committed leadership at the top to top-flight men's basketball. You would have to make Gregg Marshall the highest-paid coach in the A-10 by a substantial margin as he already makes more than anyone in the A-10 at Wichita State (nearly 1.5 million per year). He has a private plane to recruit, the Koch Center underwent a major renovation in 2003 and they built a top-notch practice facility well before it became the new fad for mid-major schools to do so.

It is very much a lateral move and I personally think a step down. Saint Louis has tremendous facilities, but other than that I don't see why a guy like Gregg Marshall would go to Saint Louis to play for people like Father Biondi when the administration at WSU will bend over backwards to keep him happy and provide whatever he wants for his program.

If he's turned down schools like NC State and Tennessee, he's not picking up the phone for SLU.

That's no dig at SLU, Marshall is just completely out of any A-10 school's league at this point.

College Hoops · 11-30-2012, 06:32 PM

My first thought was someone mentioned by a couple of other people, Steve Prohm at Murray State. Capel and Boals are possibilities too. Thinking outside the box, Fran Fraschilla although he may want too much money & power.

11-30-2012, 10:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
Simms Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 77 Rep Power: 1394	Re: Coaching Prospects Well, I just went through the Duquesne search so I can mention some of the names we battered about for weeks until we selected Jim Ferry. Keith Dambrot (U of Akron coach who everyone wanted. He wouldn't come to Duquesne). Cleveland State's head coach - Gary Waters - Solid performer but not exactly exciting. Ohio State's top assistant Jeff Boals. Kentucky's assistant Orlando Antigua (this was more of a Pittsburgh thing. I don't think he would be a good hire). Andrew Toole - coach of Robert Morris University. He's young and an alledged up and comer. Still, he has struggled a bit this year so far. Would probably be a good hire. Groce seems like a reach at best.

11-30-2012, 11:46 AM	#20 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: Coaching Prospects The best part of every coaching search is throwing names out with no regard to whether they'd even take the job. Gregg Marshall isn't leaving Wichita State for SLU. He's winning big, recruiting well, and they will pay him. That's lateral, if even a slight step down. When he leaves, it will be for a very high profile job. If Texas ever gets smart and dumps Rick Barnes, he'd be the favorite. SLU will be looking at prime assistants or lower level coaches. Murray State coach Steve Prohm is a possibility, but unlikely. On another note, I have no idea why Orlando Antigua would ever leave Kentucky. He's got the best gig in the world. Making more money than a good percentage of head coaches, and has zero pressure. His recruiting pitch is to hop a private plane and say "Yeah, we want to offer you" about 8 times per year. I'm sure he probably wants to be a head coach, but as long as Calipari is at Kentucky, Antigua is living better than pretty much every coach ever. My guess is he will be an NBA assistant within 5 years, and then an NBA head coach down the line. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

11-30-2012, 12:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 150436	Re: Coaching Prospects I don't know how long Mack can hang onto Travis Steele. I'm sure he has had pretty of offers, just not the right one yet.

11-30-2012, 01:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
JHG722 Star Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wynnewood, PA/Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,598 Rep Power: 6196	Re: Coaching Prospects Keith Dambrot Rob Senderoff Geno Ford Dave Paulsen Brett Reed Steve Masiello Dwayne Stephens Greg Gard Travis Steele __________________ Temple Owls football and basketball BU Terriers hockey

11-30-2012, 03:08 PM	#28 (permalink)
STLfan Rookie Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 69	Re: Coaching Prospects Here is my list for the moment. 1. Throw our best offer at Steve Prohm and see if we can steal him from Murray St. Might be a long shot but I don't know what Murray pays or can pay and the A10 is definitely a step up in conference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Prohm 2. Jeff Capel, Took VCU and OU to the tournament, is young, can recruit, and spent last season and this year as an assistant at Duke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Capel 3. Tim Fuller, Associate head coach at Mizzou. Was also an assistant under some impressive coaches with Ed Cooley, Rick Pitino, and Skip Prosser. Very good recruiter. Named one of the top assistants under 40. Good video interview on his profile. http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-bas...ler_tim00.html 4. Matthew Graves, Associate head coach at Butler. Has learned from one the best young coaches in Stevens, knows the area, and what it takes to win at a similar school. With it looking like Stevens is going to be at Butler for a while he will have to go elsewhere to be a head coach. Like Fuller he was named one of the top assistants under 40. http://www.butlersports.com/sports/m...matthew00.html

11-30-2012, 06:32 PM	#30 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 336 Rep Power: 8224	Re: Coaching Prospects My first thought was someone mentioned by a couple of other people, Steve Prohm at Murray State. Capel and Boals are possibilities too. Thinking outside the box, Fran Fraschilla although he may want too much money & power.

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