12/6/2012 RPI Update - Page 4 - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

jpschmack · 12-10-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by xu1990

Here is how you manipulate the RPI

2 Big East .5780 103-27 0-9 2-15 0-0 103-27 509-548 .5188 9 73-6 11-6 19-15 103-27 51-1

103-27 overall, but 0-9 vs top 25 and 2-15 against top 50. Play a million home buy games (73-6) and win them. Play some tough OOC games and lose them all. End up 2nd best conference in RPI.

You don't even need to play those game at home! Just win OOC games period and you're fine.

Another cool way to do it is to play as few conference games as possible (14, like the MWC did until this year).

Muddy Waters · 01-01-2013, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - Updated November 28, 2012

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  8 - Butler 
 22 - Saint Louis 
 26 - Dayton
 45 - Virginia Commonwealth 
 47 - Temple 
 51 - Charlotte 
 64 - St. Bonaventure
 66 - St. Joseph's 
 72 - Xavier
 87 - Massachusetts   
139 - La Salle 
149 - Richmond  
159 - Rhode Island 
199 - Duquesne 
294 - Geo. Washington 
320 - Fordham

Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - Updated January 1, 2013

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  5 - Butler 
 30 - Virginia Commonwealth
 35 - Temple
 38 - Massachusetts
 49 - La Salle
 50 - Saint Louis 
 69 - St. Joseph's
 85 - Charlotte
 94 - Dayton 
102 - Xavier
132 - Richmond 
135 - Duquesne    
172 - Rhode Island 
176 - St. Bonaventure
197 - Geo. Washington 
248 - Fordham

Selected Big East RPI Rankings - Updated January 1, 2013

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 31 - Georgetown
 72 - Seton Hall
 80 - Marquette
100 - St. John's  
105 - Villanova    
124 - Providence   
201 - DePaul

Selected Big East RPI Rankings - Updated January 1, 2013

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  9 - Louisville                         
 19 - Syracuse
 22 - Connecticut
 24 - Cincinnati
 66 - Notre Dame
 71 - Pittsburgh
 97 - Rutgers
101 - South Florida

Muddy’s Notes:

(1) There are 347 Division I teams in the 2012-13 season.

(2) Any team that has an RPI Ranking which is better than the arithmetic mean of the RPI Rankings for all of the Atlantic 10’s teams is helping the Atlantic 10’s Conference RPI Ranking (presently 7th).

(3) Any team that has an RPI Ranking which is worse than the arithmetic mean of the RPI Rankings for all of the Atlantic 10’s teams is hurting the Atlantic 10’s Conference RPI Ranking.

(4) Historically, the arithmetic mean of the RPI Rankings of the Atlantic 10’s teams is always/usually in the range of RPI # 100 - 150.

(5) Therefore, I have arbitrarily selected the following color coding for the A10 teams' RPI Rankings:

RPI # 1 - 99 | RPI # 100 - 150 | RPI # 151 - 347

(6) Roughly speaking, a team in green is helping the Atlantic 10’s Conference RPI Ranking, a team in red is hurting the Atlantic 10’s Conference RPI Ranking, and a team in yellow is doing neither, although it can reasonably be assumed that a team toward the high end of the yellow range is actually hurting the Atlantic 10’s Conference RPI Ranking.

(7) I have applied the same color coding for the Big East teams, although the average RPI Ranking of Big East teams is historically better than the average RPI Ranking of Atlantic 10 teams.

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If anyone has the time and inclination to calculate the arithmetic means of the RPI Rankings of the Atlantic 10’s teams for the past ten seasons and post it on this thread, here is all of the raw data you need:

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Originally Posted by 434 on December 18, 2012

Final RPI Rankings: 2002-03 through 2011-12

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Team	  02-03 03-04 04-05 05-06 06-07 07-08 08-09 09-10 10-11 11-12  Avg RPI

Marquette     7    67    94    40    26    20    27    56    49     9     39.5
Villanova    83    53    14     2    19    42     8    15    45   121     40.2
Georgetown   74   138    77    26     6     8    66    16    15    14     44.0
Seton Hall   45    21   133    62   156   113   101    70   103    69     87.3
Providence   56    23    93   105    78   109    77   147   158	  156    100.2
St Johns     52   166   167   135   131   156   140    78    25   153    120.3
DePaul       81    30    63    90    56   157   205   217   233   194    132.6

Xavier       23    20   130    72    27     9    15    17    26    37     37.6
Butler	    21   152   239    80    22    16    22     7    19   105     68.3
Dayton       17    37   117   184    76    28    26    37    80    91     69.3
Saint Louis  77    58   184   102    74   135   130    80   183    28    105.1

VCU  	   135    45    91    74    44    60    51    46    31    34     61.1
St Joes	    29     2    47    53    97    50   105   184   163    75     80.5
Richmond    106    39   146   205   272   129   124    24    33   131    120.9
URI	    92    69   301   152   108    74    61    36   103   262    125.8
GW	   163    65    61    31    70   185   203   148   150   189    126.5

LaSalle	   189   170   215   103   268   163   110   178   172    96    166.4
Duquesne    252   162   258   308   219   130    76   112   100   110    172.7
St Bona     139   210   312   289   278   265   199   156   128    78    205.4
Fordham     282   212   189   138   112   172   292   304   255   242    220.2

Bona84 · 01-01-2013, 07:26 AM

Bonnies' rpi dropped 40 spots yesterday. Been dropping over the last few games, including 30 and 40 point wins over Cleveland State and The Citadel.

Muddy Waters · 01-01-2013, 07:59 AM

The Cost of Bad Losses:

The Flyers could have and should have won these three games:

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Weber State 62, Dayton 61 (ESPN Box Score - November 28, 2012)

Illinois State 74, Dayton 73 (ESPN Box Score - December 19, 2012)

Southern California 63, Dayton 61, OT (ESPN Box Score - December 30, 2012)

If they had done so, they would now be 12-1 instead of their present 9-4.

Selected RPI Rankings - Updated January 1, 2013

RPI # 18 - Wichita State (12-1) - SOS Ranking # 92

RPI # 24 - Cincinnati (13-1) - SOS Ranking # 117

RPI # 31 - Georgetown (10-1) - SOS Ranking # 151

RPI # 94 - Dayton (9-4) - SOS Ranking # 103

The data above suggests that if Dayton had won those three games, the Flyers' RPI Ranking would now be in the range of # 20 to # 30.

Knobby · 01-01-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

The data above suggests that if Dayton had won those three games, the Flyers' RPI Ranking would now be in the range of # 20 to # 30.

.... but you didn't win those games and your RPI IS NOT in that range.... so what is your point?

X-band '01 · 01-01-2013, 09:48 AM

His point is that if Xavier had lost to Robert Morris and Purdue, the Muskies would be 5-7 and have an RPI in the red.

**xu95** · 01-02-2013, 05:50 AM

We could all play the same should-a, could-a, would-a. Xavier is 11 points away from being 11-1. However, just like Dayton they lost some close games. Stuff happens.

vcurams05 · 01-02-2013, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by xu95

We could all play the same should-a, could-a, would-a. Xavier is 11 points away from being 11-1. However, just like Dayton they lost some close games. Stuff happens.

Agreed can't play that game. VCU lost to WSU, Duke and Mizzou by 2, 9 and 3 respectively. 14 points. We are 14 points from being 13-0 and probably having a Top 10 RPI.

Muddy Waters · 01-27-2013, 07:31 AM

More numbers:

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - Updated January 24, 2013

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 12 - Butler  
 27 - VCU         
 33 - La Salle    
 48 - Charlotte
 55 - Temple
 61 - Massachusetts
 67 - Xavier
 73 - Saint Louis 
 82 - Richmond 
 97 - Dayton
104 - St. Joseph's
123 - St. Bonaventure
144 - George Washington     
157 - Rhode Island
195 - Duquesne 
231 - Fordham

Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - Updated January 27, 2013

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 10 - Butler  
 27 - La Salle          
 38 - VCU  
 52 - Charlotte
 54 - Temple
 65 - Massachusetts
 69 - Saint Louis
 70 - Richmond
 74 - Xavier
 91 - St. Joseph's
111 - Dayton 
128 - George Washington
137 - St. Bonaventure     
172 - Rhode Island
198 - Duquesne 
215 - Fordham

Title_BU · 01-27-2013, 07:57 AM

Fordham is only 15 spots from all 16 A-10 teams being Top 200 RPI. 10 are Top 100, 3 are Top 50, 1 is Top 10

A10BBall · 01-27-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Title_BU

Fordham is only 15 spots from all 16 A-10 teams being Top 200 RPI. 10 are Top 100, 3 are Top 50, 1 is Top 10

That is the epitome of deep.. It is sad to see that it seems it will be short lived.. A lot of potential these schools have...

X-band '01 · 01-27-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Title_BU

Fordham is only 15 spots from all 16 A-10 teams being Top 200 RPI. 10 are Top 100, 3 are Top 50, 1 is Top 10

You'll have to worry about Duquesne dropping like a rock at this point. Games at St. Bonaventure and at home against GW and Xavier are looking less and less winnable right now.

01-01-2013, 07:26 AM	#48 (permalink)
Bona84 Star Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 2,778 Rep Power: 262734	Re: 12/6/2012 RPI Update Bonnies' rpi dropped 40 spots yesterday. Been dropping over the last few games, including 30 and 40 point wins over Cleveland State and The Citadel. __________________ Bona84

01-01-2013, 09:48 AM	#51 (permalink)
X-band '01 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montgomery, OH Age: 34 Posts: 1,480 Rep Power: 147698	Re: 12/6/2012 RPI Update His point is that if Xavier had lost to Robert Morris and Purdue, the Muskies would be 5-7 and have an RPI in the red.

01-02-2013, 05:50 AM	#52 (permalink)
xu95 Community Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cincinnati Age: 40 Posts: 3,580 Rep Power: 332174	Re: 12/6/2012 RPI Update We could all play the same should-a, could-a, would-a. Xavier is 11 points away from being 11-1. However, just like Dayton they lost some close games. Stuff happens.

01-27-2013, 07:57 AM	#55 (permalink)
Title_BU 6th Man Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 335 Rep Power: 7011	Re: 12/6/2012 RPI Update Fordham is only 15 spots from all 16 A-10 teams being Top 200 RPI. 10 are Top 100, 3 are Top 50, 1 is Top 10

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