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Old 12-13-2012, 02:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: The potentially premature goodbye thread

Sorry to say, but I don't think UMass is gonna stick around in this reorganization. I'm expecting they will join Temple in CUSA2. Obviously, the BE football schools will want to stock up, and UMass will finally be a good fit for them. And UCon won't have any leverage to keep them out because everyone knows UCon is looking to leave.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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That makes sense, what kind of time table is there with that move?

Also, what about the attendance issues? Is Umass really at risk of being dropped due to the NCAA rules?

Never made sense to play at Gilette. They need to build an on campus facility ASAP IMO.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:57 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I barely follow UMass football. The stuff you're talking about is news to me.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:05 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I think Stony Brook would be a good addition to the A-10 if someone leaves.

They are spending on athletics and getting results. They have a new basketball arena opening soon.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:20 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Eh, stony brook? I think george mason and siena are a step above.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
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That makes sense, what kind of time table is there with that move?

Also, what about the attendance issues? Is Umass really at risk of being dropped due to the NCAA rules?

Never made sense to play at Gilette. They need to build an on campus facility ASAP IMO.
You need to average 15,000 fans per home game over the course of a season during each two year time span (this isn't usually enforced if you come close). We only averaged slightly above 10,000 this year, with a low of just under 7,000.

The MAC has, and may for us, helped out in purchasing extra tickets to ensure enough are sold. Hell, maybe all that extra money UMass will see from NIU's BCS bowl appearance should be set aside to ensure that the average is kept high enough. They'll likely do whatever it takes to stay up, but it is a possibility.


Should we make it this first time around, it likely wont be an issue after that. Especially since we'll be able to play 1-2 home games per year on campus starting in 2014.
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Re: The potentially premature goodbye thread

Davidson plays in a high school gym, it's a joke.
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Re: The potentially premature goodbye thread

Boston U has always longed to get into the A-10. They had played a lot of A-10 teams in OOC but when Butler and VCU joined they realized they would never get in and jumped to the Patriot League. The big breakup may have them re-thinking if the A-10 were to re-look at them.

Big TV market, no football, nice campus facility (7000+) but attendance has always been a problem. BU is a front runner school. Playing higher caliber teams will bring the fans in.
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Davidson plays in a high school gym, it's a joke.
I haven't seen many 5,200-seat high school gyms (though I know they exist, particularly in Indiana) in my travels. It isn't Rupp Arena, but that shouldn't get in the way of inviting a solid program with strong academics.
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Re: The potentially premature goodbye thread

If it's X/Dayton/Butler, the A-10 is in deep trouble.
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Re: The potentially premature goodbye thread

I don't want to go. This whole thing bums me out a bit. I'm sure in some ways, it is "better" for X, but I honestly have never cared for Big East basketball and I've always loved the A10.
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I don't want to go. This whole thing bums me out a bit. I'm sure in some ways, it is "better" for X, but I honestly have never cared for Big East basketball and I've always loved the A10.
I have so many conflicting feelings about this. I love the A10 too, but I don't want to get left behind if X and SLU go. And the idea of rekindling rivalries with Marquette (who avoids UD like the plague) and DePaul (despite their recent foul odor) is appealing.
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Re: The potentially premature goodbye thread

The top 3 BE7 are good, but are going to lose a lot of luster when they are not affiliated with Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, etc. When the lower 4 BE7 lose that affiliation, they will be rather unremarkable, IMO. The top of the A10 would make that a better league, of course. I have mixed feelings abut putting up with the antics of Gtown, Marquette and Nova if we are invited. They are really going to feel that they rule that roost at first. On the other hand, being left out while some top A10 schools go over there wouldn't be too great. Even though, the top teams in the lower conferences are establishing dynasties and making names for themselves. Sometimes that beats being the food at the lower end of a big conference. You just never know how things will pan out.
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Even if Dayton doesn't immediately get a basketball BE invite, they should eventually get one if they can improve in the next few years over the A-10. Duquesne would have been a mortal lock by now had they been a regular NCAA contender as well.

If the new league starts with 9 schools, it doesn't mean it will stay at 9. But there's a LOT of red tape to clean up first just to start the league.
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The top 3 BE7 are good, but are going to lose a lot of luster when they are not affiliated with Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, etc. When the lower 4 BE7 lose that affiliation, they will be rather unremarkable, IMO. The top of the A10 would make that a better league, of course. I have mixed feelings abut putting up with the antics of Gtown, Marquette and Nova if we are invited. They are really going to feel that they rule that roost at first. On the other hand, being left out while some top A10 schools go over there wouldn't be too great. Even though, the top teams in the lower conferences are establishing dynasties and making names for themselves. Sometimes that beats being the food at the lower end of a big conference. You just never know how things will pan out.
You make some good points, but I'd rather be affiliated with the strongest conference possible to aid recruiting than take a dice roll on being the one to thrive in a weaker conference. Recruits care about the teams they will be playing against and its effect on visibility.

And the potential of the Big East remnants is just better. When St. John's puts together a good team, they're big news in NYC. Georgetown is consistently a big deal in DC. If Depaul can ever put it back together, they will make waves in Chicago. Marquette is a big name program despite the general irrelevancy of Milwaukee. Villanova is bigger potentially than St. Joseph's. The ceiling on Providence and Seton Hall is lower, but they're better than the bottom of the A10.

And another important factor is that it seems unlikely that UMass will stay long term. They don't have a great recent history, but they have massive potential. They're chasing that big football specter, though.

So I guess my bottom line is this: if we lose two top teams, I think the A10 can still be a great conference, but if we lose three, we need to be that third team.

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