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Old 01-01-2013, 09:51 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

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“We’ve done the things we’ve needed to do. It is about men’s basketball and TV revenue. But a team like Villanova, they want a team to play in volleyball, and we’re bringing in a top-25 program. And women’s basketball is representing us well. And the men’s team right now, we’re in a good place. Again, we’ve done what we needed to do in terms of scholarships, in terms of TV exposure, and that took years.
I don't know a thing about UD's president, but I hope for Dayton's sake he isn't as naive as this comment is. Volleyball and other non-revenue sports will not be a factor in determining what schools to invite to the league. Men's basketball, TV revenue and (which UD's president either doesn't realize or purposefully left out) NCAA credits revenue.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams


Just added to my Post # 149:

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Less than 7,000 in the beautiful Chaifetz Center tonight for a # 20 guest?

Very surprising given the good year SLU is having and the great year they enjoyed last season.
I had heard that the crowd looked bad on TV, which is somewhat typical because the seats at Chaifetz seen when the court is shown are said to be owned by corporations who don't always use them, or are subject to a higher fee than the rest, and possibly might not all be owned.
This is exactly what Fox Sports TV and the BE7 do not want to be shown on a televised BE12 game.

Dayton's last home game was played after the students left school for the Christmas break.


Dayton 77, Murray State 68 (Yahoo Box Score - December 22, 2012)
Attendance: 12,638
. . . about 800 seats short of a sell-out.


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Old 01-01-2013, 04:20 PM   #153 (permalink)
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I don't know a thing about UD's president, but I hope for Dayton's sake he isn't as naive as this comment is. Volleyball and other non-revenue sports will not be a factor in determining what schools to invite to the league. Men's basketball, TV revenue and (which UD's president either doesn't realize or purposefully left out) NCAA credits revenue.
I agree with you for the most part. Nonetheless, I believe having a strong Olympic Sports presence can only help every candidate, and certainly a marginal, unaccomplished candidate like Dayton.

Having said that, Muddled's problem is that he continues to think through his muddled rose colored (vacuum) glasses. He doesn't consider the reality that other programs are as strong or stronger, or just as well positioned or better positioned than UD in their other sports.

Xavier just finished up its 7-digit golf facility at a private club in Cincinnati for M and W golf. The Men's team, in particular, is becoming stronger in the NCAA under Doug Steiner. Baseball and Men's Soccer, both playing in renovated venues on campus, are NCAA participants. Women's basketball is coming back to NCAA status under Amy Waugh. Women's Vball remains well positioned, though down from what it's been in the past. I think Men's tennis made it to the NCAAs this past season. These things happen when you have an administrator like Mike Bobinski at the helm.

At any rate, I imagine Creighton has better overall Olympic Sports than UD. SLU certainly can afford them, given that they were otherwise capable of putting up a $50mm+ venue for hoops.

I have no feel for how well Butler is positioned with its Olympic Sports, though I get the feeling that there is some stress there, given their desire to continue with football and the fact that they've been smalltime budget wise.

It doesn't matter in Xavier and Butler's cases anyway.

Long story short: UD isn't getting in because of its Olympic Sports programs and having good Olympic sports programs isn't a key differentiator for them.

UD doesn't get in if the number turns out to be 9. It is in a dogfight with Creighton and SLU if the number is 10. And it gets boxed out completely if the decision-makers throw the long ball to bring in Gonzaga, either at 10 or 12.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

The more I read all of this, I'm thinking a few things.

1--SLU is on the outside looking in on this C7 league.
2--I'd personally rather see the Bills in the MWC than that other league.
3--I am hoping I'm wrong.
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University of Dayton President Dan Curran, who attended the Flyers’ game at Southern Cal on Sunday while returning from a trip to the UD Institute in China . . .
UD also has the China market, which could eventually provide more than a billion Chinese basketball fans to the Dayton Flyers' television market.

However, a lot of them do not yet have cable TV.


University of Dayton China Institute (University of Dayton)


UD Opens Institute in China (Dayton Daily News - July 10, 2012)
The University of Dayton is expanding its reach to China with an August 8th opening of a new institute in “one of the fastest growing and most competitive” development zones in the world, officials said.

UD’s China Institute in the Suzhou Industrial Park — where a third of the world’s Fortune 500 companies have operations — will allow students and staff to collaborate with businesses on research and developing new technologies.

The university is calling the China Institute UDCI.

UDCI will likely become a recruiting tool for the university for both students in Dayton and students from China.

The grand opening will include the world-renowned Dayton Contemporary Dance Company, Ohio’s former Governor Bob Taft, the University of Dayton’s Horn Quartet and a solo percussionist.

Curran, Suzhou Industrial Park officials, representatives from international companies, educators from Chinese universities and two Catholic bishops from the region will also participate.
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That's it! UD is a lock now. I guessing C7 + UD + UDCI. Just think of all the eyes that will be watching cryers vs. UD china idiots. It may change the world's outlook on college bball and definitely will help kid yuma expand his recruiting. WOW this is big.
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Dayton has the China market.

I am rolling on the floor right now. Haha that's great.
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There ought to be a lot of 7 footers in a population of 1.3 billion.

It's a shrewd basketball move.

I actually know some guys who went to work in that Suzhou Industrial Park (where UD now has a presence) for various fortune 500 companies.
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Never a good time for a nose dive, Muddy. But, why is this particular time poor for Xavier?
Xavier could lose every single game this year and they would still be the first team invited. Just let him have his fun in the fantasy world where he thinks that they are risking their invite.
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In posts about conference realignments there often are references about the importance of NCAA credits vis a vis whether or not a school is a good candidate. The past is not prologue. They're lost when you change conferences. Because you earned them in the past doesn't mean you'll earn them in the immediate future. Not only do coaches and personnel change, but with a change in conference membership, so does the competition. Maybe you don't win the top two or three spots of the conference, or get that 22nd or 23rd win that gets you in. The NCAA credits are relevant to school(s) in making their business decision to leave one conference for another.
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China?
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China?

SSSSSSShHHHhhh that blind squirrel keeps running around and may eventually find that nut. I sure hope Bobinski keeps moving it though. China HAHAAHA
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Well, at least it was new and, um, creative.
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China?
Imagine the excuses:

"The refs were obviously communist"
"Really, really, really bad jet-lag"

and, of course:

"Bad dim-sum"
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I more interested in who can carry the Nepal college basketball market. Sherpas are HUGE Influencers.
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