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Old 12-15-2012, 09:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams


East Division

1. Georgetown
2. Providence
3. Seton Hall
4. St. John's
5. Villanova
6. _________

West Division

1. DePaul
2. Marquette
3. _________
4. _________
5. _________
6. _________


RULES:

(1) Copy, paste, and edit the 12-school 'framework' above.

(2) Add to it the 5 teams you predict will accept invitations to join the New 'BE12' Conference.

(3) Scoring:
• an incorrect team: 0 points

• a correct team in the wrong Division: 1 point

• a correct team in the correct Division: 2 points
(4) You may move DePaul or Marquette to the East Division if you choose to do so.

(5) There is no possible reason to move any of the BE7 teams to the West Division.

(6) If Georgetown splits from the other six BE7 schools, this Contest ends immediately without a winner.

(7) Otherwise, you may enter this Contest up until the 5 invited schools are published for the first time.

(8) This morning's relevant article:

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters earlier today View Post


Big East 7 Set to Plunder A-10 for Teams (New York Post - December 15, 2012)
The presidents of the Atlantic 10 Conference have scheduled a meeting for Thursday with the intent of trying to solidify commitments from their membership, The Post has learned. According to a person with direct knowledge of the meeting, the A-10 is well aware league members Dayton, St. Louis, and Xavier, have "one foot out the door," to join the Group of Seven in a new conference.

Those three programs have poured millions of dollars into their programs in recent years for new facilities, increased budgets and higher coaches’ salaries.

Butler, which has done the same, including a renovation of venerable Hinkle Fieldhouse (where many of the famous scenes from the legendary movie "Hoosiers" were filmed), is another school on the Big East group’s wish list.

A Post source also said Creighton has been contacted by representatives of the seven Catholic schools that are leaving the Big East.


The Group of Seven is looking to add five teams to get to a 12-team league with Eastern and Western Divisions.

Creighton, located in Omaha, Neb., could join with Butler, Dayton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis and Xavier in a Western Division.

Duquesne also has emerged as a school of interest because it would get the Group of Seven back into Pittsburgh and it has upgraded its facilities with the opening of the Power Center in 2007.

St. Mary’s, from the San Francisco area, and Gonzaga, from Seattle, are also possibilities, but the Group of Seven would have to weigh the travel costs for non-revenue sports against the merits of the two highly respected men’s basketball programs.
Here's my predictions:

East Division

1. Duquesne
2. Georgetown
3. Providence
4. Seton Hall
5. St. John's
6. Villanova

West Division

1. Creighton
2. Dayton
3. DePaul
4. Marquette
5. Saint Louis
6. Xavier

The BE7 Presidents opt for an all-Catholic school conference.

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Old 12-15-2012, 09:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

Pointless.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Pointless.
Not at all.

This thread gives those of you who doubt that Dayton will be invited to join the new BE7 conference the opportunity to post who you predict will be invited instead of Dayton.

It doesn't take any intellect whatsoever to post that Dayton won't get invited.

It takes at least a modicum of intellect to predict 5 teams and which side of the fence they will go.

What are your predictions, BrownIndians85 ?

Or are you one of those 'big hat, no cattle' posters ?

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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

Did I miss the announcement it was decided there was going to be 12 teams?
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

I should clarify... I mean the actual announcement from the BE schools in reality. Not in Muddy's reality.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

I've heard every permutation up to 14 or 16 so far. I have no idea what will happen, but as a SLU fan I don't know.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

It is pointless. The A10 "14" are bargaining from a strength standpoint when Dealing with the BE "7".

1. What can you offer us that we don't already have?

2. If we decide admit some of the BE 7, which teams do we exclude?

3. Do we invite all but Villanova and Georgetown since they have the snobbish BE attitude?

4. If we add all 7 plus Creighton we would became much stronger and additional rivalries would be strengthened not weakened... The Gigantic Atlantic 22!
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It is pointless. The A10 "14" are bargaining from a strength standpoint when Dealing with the BE "7".

1. What can you offer us that we don't already have?

2. If we decide admit some of the BE 7, which teams do we exclude?

3. Do we invite all but Villanova and Georgetown since they have the snobbish BE attitude?

4. If we add all 7 plus Creighton we would became much stronger and additional rivalries would be strengthened not weakened.

Good points sir. This is going to drive all of us nuts until they make a formal announcement from the steps of whatever courthouse that these matters are decided.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

No one has to guess Xavier. They're a better program than half of the programs in this new basketball conference. They'd drop Seton Hall in a second to grab Xavier. I'm happy for the Muskies. Should be a pretty fun conference to watch.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

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Re: A10 Presidents call meeting - Post # 61


BE7 plus XU, Butler & SLU. Mark it down.
Done.

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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

If theres one consensus, it appears we ALL want Villanova to go screw themselves. Im for ANY solution that leaves Nova on the outside looking in. Even if we do nothing and tell the whole BE7 to fly a kite. Just the thought of sharing league membership with those half-breeds makes me ill.

I say we all stay put and invite everyone but Nova into the A10. I have to believe this would be the easiest consensus in A10 Basketball Forum history.
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If theres one consensus, it appears we ALL want Villanova to go screw themselves. Im for ANY solution that leaves Nova on the outside looking in. Even if we do nothing and tell the whole BE7 to fly a kite. Just the thought of sharing league membership with those half-breeds makes me ill.

I say we all stay put and invite everyone but Nova into the A10. I have to believe this would be the easiest consensus in A10 Basketball Forum history.
Would be something all of us could agree on.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams

Richmond won't get invited to another conference because they scalped men's soccer and track. I think the A14 should kick them out, invite 7 new schools, play with 18 because 5 of them will join and Gtown and one other team like Nova will be snapped up elsewhere because they are too snobby to "downgrade" to the A10 level. You may certainly have a team like Fordham volunteer to go patriot league if they decide they can't compete with A10 standards. But there are no bottom feeders in our conference and no one worth kicking out involuntarily. That's the way the A10 designed itself. Even Fordham, which is a low quality opponent with old facilities and dwindling attendance, is still an academic strong suit, and a potential flagship program for the new mega conference since they are in NY.
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Re: CONTEST: Predict the New 'BE12' Conference Teams


As Big East Evolves, Schools Weigh Options (Philly.com - December 15, 2012)

With Villanova and other Big East schools that don't play Big East football planning a split from the league - with the announcement expected any day now - here's a little Q and A.

What would Villanova's new league look like? The seven schools planning to split from the Big East - Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, DePaul, Providence, St. Johns, and Seton Hall - are discussing different models.

Expect Big East invitations to Xavier, Butler, and quite possibly Dayton, St. Louis, and Creighton.

Richmond has come up in talks more than Virginia Commonwealth.

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Muddy's Observation:

Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Saint Louis, and Creighton are all geographically in the West Division.


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Richmond won't get invited to another conference because they scalped men's soccer and track. I think the A14 should kick them out, invite 7 new schools, play with 18 because 5 of them will join and Gtown and one other team like Nova will be snapped up elsewhere because they are too snobby to "downgrade" to the A10 level. You may certainly have a team like Fordham volunteer to go patriot league if they decide they can't compete with A10 standards. But there are no bottom feeders in our conference and no one worth kicking out involuntarily. That's the way the A10 designed itself. Even Fordham, which is a low quality opponent with old facilities and dwindling attendance, is still an academic strong suit, and a potential flagship program for the new mega conference since they are in NY.
What? Invite only the dregs of the BE7, kick out Richmond, and proclaim Fordham the flagship of the conference... What?
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