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xavierhoops · 12-16-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bona84

Well, I didn't try to compare who ought to be kicked out, so I said nothing about Duquesne or the others. And, the Pittsburgh market is a fine market. From your response, I can only surmise that it is the "market" that is your reason for wishing that the Bonnies be exiled. Olean sits in the Buffalo TV market, which sits in the Western NY, which also includes Rochester. If you want to poke holes in that, go ahead, but please don't consider Bonas' market to be limited to Olean.

No, it's not just the market.

I'm kind of stunned we are even having this conversation. St Bonaventure has made made 2 NCAA appearances in the past 34 years. St Bonaventure has not won a single NCAA game in 42 years. That's the reason they should join Fordham, La Salle and Rhode Island in getting the boot. There's not much more that needs to be said.

ExplorerSteve · 12-16-2012, 07:13 PM

Actually, the other option would be to save in travel costs I would take some of the eastern BE7 (St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall plus add Siena) and drop Xavier, Dayton, SLU and Butler and the other 4 BE7 go with them along with Creighton (which is located in Nebraska - thanks Paul, for some reason I thought they were in the South).

Atlantic 14
North
UMass
Rhodey
Providence
St. John
St. Bonas
Seton Hall
Fordham

South
La Salle
St. Joe
Duquesne
GW
Richmond
VCU
Siena

Big East 9
Dayton
Xavier
Butler
Marquette
SLU
DePaul
Villanova
Georgetown
Creighton

Or combine all into the GIGANTIC ATLANTIC 21*

* Assumes UMass and URI leave to join a football conference.

paulxu · 12-16-2012, 07:17 PM

Steve...do you know in which state Creighton is located?

**a10nick** · 12-16-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ExplorerSteve

Actually, the other option would be to save in travel costs I would take some of the eastern BE7 (St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall plus add Creighton) and drop Xavier, Dayton, SLU and Butler and the other 4 BE7 go with them.

Atlantic 14
North
UMass
Rhodey
Providence
St. John
St. Bonas
Seton Hall
Fordham

South
La Salle
St. Joe
Duquesne
GW
Richmond
VCU
Creighton

Big East 8
Dayton
Xavier
Butler
Marquette
SLU
DePaul
Villanova
Georgetown

Or combine all into the GIGANTIC ATLANTIC 21*

* Assumes UMass leaves to join a football conference.

This has as much chance of happening as me getting a contract to pitch or catch for the Cincinnati Reds. I played both positions reasonably well. But that was 50+ years ago and I wasn't looked at by major league scouts even then!

xavierhoops · 12-16-2012, 07:19 PM

^^^Yes please. X, SLU, UD and Butler fans would take that no questions asked.

Steve is as near delusional as Muddy.

Flyer75 · 12-16-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Steve...do you know in which state Creighton is located?

Hehehehe

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ExplorerSteve · 12-16-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops

^^^Yes please. X, SLU, UD and Butler fans would take that no questions asked.

Steve is as near delusional as Muddy.

What is delusional about cutting travel and saving money while maintaining rivalries.

And remember there is still only one A10 team with an NCAA title.

ExplorerSteve · 12-16-2012, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulxu

Steve...do you know in which state Creighton is located?

Fixed it. Thanks. For some reason I thought they were down in Tennessee instead of out in Nebraska!

paulxu · 12-16-2012, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExplorerSteve

What is delusional about cutting travel and saving money while maintaining rivalries.

Apparently not.

Edit: I see you figured that travel problem out!

ExplorerSteve · 12-16-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JHG722

So you would add Seton Hall, who is about as relevant as LaSalle, but not Nova, Marquette, or Georgetown? Good thing you're not the commish.

Speaking of irrelevant, Temple made a huge mistake. Hope you enjoy the new Big East!!!

Deleo77 · 12-16-2012, 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=College Hoops;7008640]

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Originally Posted by Deleo77

A couple of posters here might heckle you for this one, but this is not a crazy question. I am surprised that none of the X, Dayton, or SLU posters, there might votes will even consider the idea of G'town going to the ACC. Would I put money on it? No, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.

I tend agree that this is not out of the realm of possibility and I think they would be joined by Villanova, The ACC was, is an always will be a BB oriented conference. They want representative football because thats where the tv money comes from. i'm sure the conference leadership would have a hard time getting Clemson, FSU and Va Tech to go along with bringing in the Hoyas and Nova, but if the rest of the schools think the three aforementioned schools are going to get poached by another conference,there might be enough votes to be proactive and bring in both the Hoyas and Nova, Georgetown/Syracuse is a huge rivalry and Nova/Hoyas is not far behind.At that point, they also bring in UCONN and they pretty much have to east coast tied up. The football wont scare the SEC, but it'll we be good enough to get a good tv contract, and the bb, both mens' and womens' won't take a back seat to anybody.

2015 is a long way off and alot could happen including a couple of the BE 7 opting for the ACC. Regardless, of the number of A-10 schools and their identities that may contemplate leaving, they better be darn sure who their mates will be.

The next thing I will look for is Clemson and FSU going to the SEC. The ACC could then take UConn and Georgetown at that point. The numbers would be good on the football and basketball side. Georgetown would have to improve its facilities in a lot of sports to bring them to ACC standards, but i think they would do it.

**a10nick** · 12-16-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ExplorerSteve

Actually, the other option would be to save in travel costs I would take some of the eastern BE7 (St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall plus add Siena) and drop Xavier, Dayton, SLU and Butler and the other 4 BE7 go with them along with Creighton (which is located in Nebraska - thanks Paul, for some reason I thought they were in the South).

Atlantic 14
North
UMass
Rhodey
Providence
St. John
St. Bonas
Seton Hall
Fordham

South
La Salle
St. Joe
Duquesne
GW
Richmond
VCU
Siena

Big East 9
Dayton
Xavier
Butler
Marquette
SLU
DePaul
Villanova
Georgetown
Creighton

Or combine all into the GIGANTIC ATLANTIC 21*

* Assumes UMass and URI leave to join a football conference.

Steve,
Siena is NORTH of St. John's, Seton Hall and Fordham, three programs that you have in the North Division while you have Siena in the South. You appear to be rather geographically challenged!

Another question I have is why you would even include UMass in the mix since they have an FBS Football program wanting to find an all-sports home.. And why do you include URI in the same footnote with UMass since the Rams are only FCS and have a rather horrible FB program (0-11 this season with a stadium seating less than 6,000 fans). They will never be Football-centric (and they are barely-basketball centric as it is!!!).

**a10nick** · 12-16-2012, 08:02 PM

[quote=Deleo77;7008832]

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Originally Posted by College Hoops

The next thing I will look for is Clemson and FSU going to the SEC. The ACC could then take UConn and Georgetown at that point. The numbers would be good on the football and basketball side. Georgetown would have to improve its facilities in a lot of sports to bring them to ACC standards, but i think they would do it.

The likelihood of Georgetown going to the ACC and being the same step-child as the Hoyas were in the Big East is not the type of logic that I would attribute to a Jesuit institution. That's exactly the type of situation that GU just voted to leave (except they'd be in an even greater minority in the ACC than they were in the Big East).

Makes absolutely no sense at all!!!

Deleo77 · 12-16-2012, 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=a10nick;7008852]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deleo77

The likelihood of Georgetown going to the ACC and being the same step-child as the Hoyas were in the Big East is not the type of logic that I would attribute to a Jesuit institution. That's exactly the type of situation that GU just voted to leave (except they'd be in an even greater minority in the ACC than they were in the Big East).

Makes absolutely no sense at all!!!

Playing Duke, North Carolina and Syracuse makes a lot of sense when you are losing $30,000 every time you play a home game at the Verizon Center. Those schools could help to sell some tickets, even to the point that you would be ok with being a step-child in a conference and taking less TV revenue than the football teams. This did work well for Georgetown when Pitt, BC, Syracuse and the others were in the conference. The problem is they bailed. I'm sorry but people have to ask if Georgetown is excited to go into a new conference with Dayton, SLU, and perhaps Creighton. Georgetown has a long history of acting in its own self interest and screwing over its so called partners. They may even go into this new BE12 for a while, but if a call for something better comes along, they will take it.

xudash · 12-16-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ExplorerSteve

What is delusional about cutting travel and saving money while maintaining rivalries.

And remember there is still only one A10 team with an NCAA title.

Were you serious when you typed that? I'm asking sincerely.

What were the non-existent NCAA Units worth back then?

Was that title earned during LaSalle's tenure in the A10?

Are you beginning to understand that CREDIBILITY and you haven't smashed into each other yet?

BTW, you (not ES, but those who are considering Georgetown to be at risk) don't make a strategic - that's STRATEGIC - decision to move away from an hybrid arrangement and then turn around and move into one. Beyond that, given that the ACC will never be anything other than an all-sports league, due to football and Olympic Sports constraints, nobody at Georgetown is waiting by the phone for a call from Tobacco Road.

A reality show could be made out of the thought processes reflected in some of the posts around here.

12-16-2012, 07:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
ExplorerSteve Veteran Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,712 Rep Power: 157491	Re: Which BE7 teams Should A10 Add? Actually, the other option would be to save in travel costs I would take some of the eastern BE7 (St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall plus add Siena) and drop Xavier, Dayton, SLU and Butler and the other 4 BE7 go with them along with Creighton (which is located in Nebraska - thanks Paul, for some reason I thought they were in the South). Atlantic 14 North UMass Rhodey Providence St. John St. Bonas Seton Hall Fordham South La Salle St. Joe Duquesne GW Richmond VCU Siena Big East 9 Dayton Xavier Butler Marquette SLU DePaul Villanova Georgetown Creighton Or combine all into the GIGANTIC ATLANTIC 21* * Assumes UMass and URI leave to join a football conference. __________________ www.LaSalle-Explorers.com Unofficial Source for FREE LaSalle Explorers Information along with "Explorers Universe" Messageboard. Last edited by ExplorerSteve; 12-16-2012 at 07:24 PM.

12-16-2012, 07:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 309022	Re: Which BE7 teams Should A10 Add? Steve...do you know in which state Creighton is located? __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

12-16-2012, 07:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 889 Rep Power: 262014	Re: Which BE7 teams Should A10 Add? ^^^Yes please. X, SLU, UD and Butler fans would take that no questions asked. Steve is as near delusional as Muddy. __________________ Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

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