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jpschmack · 12-17-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by El Shaqtus

St. Louis cannot stay in the A-10 without X/Dayton/Butler. The closest school would be Duquense.

Do you think the A-10 wouldn't invite someone if those three left?

If SLU stays and those three go, I'd think Belmont (Nashville, TN) would make a good replacement travel partner.

**El Shaqtus** · 12-17-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jpschmack

Do you think the A-10 wouldn't invite someone if those three left?

If SLU stays and those three go, I'd think Belmont (Nashville, TN) would make a good replacement travel partner.

I think Belmont would be a tough sell, but the fact that so much of the fan base is against that other league, may be enough to possibly keep the Bills in the A-10 if they screw it up to the point where they are passed over.

DoubleJayAlum · 12-17-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chetburger

But Creighton is going nowhere unless the A10 is involved. You are dreaming up scenarios that are not even on the table. The Missouri Valley is not much worse of a league than the C7. The top 3-4 in the Valley are as good or better than the top 3-4 in the C7 (ask VCU how good Wichita is). The geography issue just compounds it. You do not choose to fly across the country for a marginal conference improvement.

SMC and Gonzaga are an even less likely grab without the A10 getting involved. Gonzaga is doing just fine out west. They dont need the help. Again, the C7 simply isnt strong enough to command the type of respect some of you are giving them.

The Big East name is dead. Its a boat anchor. Its a synonym for dysfunctional idiots! It harbors more negative reactions now than it does positive. Outside the fog of the east coast, nobody cares about the Big East anymore. Its one big joke/laughingstock in college athletics. The Big East brand is nothing more than New Coke now.

But, if the A10 plays hardball, SMC, Gonzaga, Creighton, arent going anywhere. Guaranteed. Nobody is jumping 2-3 time zones for every road game for the privilege of playing 3 decent teams and 4 mediocre ones. Creighton is a longshot as it is an I dont even see SMC and Gonzaga in play w/o A10 involvement. This national coast to coast conference thing is never happening. The WAC has proven that geography causes problems. The Big East is finding that out as well.

I don't know about St Mary's and Gonzaga, but I think Creighton would accept the offer even if A10 teams pass. Marquette and Depaul are in our time zone and are two schools Creighton competes with regularly for undergrads.

Perhaps of equal importance here is that the MVC has a budding "football problem" of its own. Schools like Illinois St, Northern Iowa and Missouri St have indicated they would like to move their FB programs up to the FBS level in the future. That could create a real issue within the MVC and makes Creighton's long term future a bit unstable.

If the A10 passes, I wouldn't be surprised if Wichita (and perhaps Bradley) lobbies hard for inclusion. WSU is no X, but they have a solid program, good attendance, lots of money and will be shopping around if Creighton leaves anyway.

ExplorerSteve · 12-17-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Georgetown, Villanova and to a lesser extent Marquette are premier brands. Even if St. John's remains a dog (which I don't think will be the case), better to be stuck with St. John's than Fordham. Being stuck with Seton Hall is better than being stuck with Duquesne. Being stuck with Providence is better than being stuck with LaSalle. DePaul sucks, but every conference needs someone to bring up the rear.

Top to bottom, it will be a much better league than the current A-10. Not so much because of the top (which will be a bit better I think), but because the bottom will be so much less bad (not eloquent, but you get the point).

I STRONGLY disagree. Xavier is on the downturn. I have no problem with Xavier, Butler and SLU leaving but don't put any of our teams down. Yes Fordham and Duquesne have been doormats of the league but Providence and Seton Hall have been doormats in the BE. Villanova, like La Salle has won both NCAA and NIT titles. Villanova is on the downturn like Xavier. La Salle and SBU are on the upturn.

xavierhoops · 12-17-2012, 12:57 PM

It is scary there are individuals out there that have logic as flawed as this.

With regard to LaSalle and St Bona… as the old saying goes, there is nowhere to go but up. St Bona has had 1 (single) NCAA appearance in 34 and 0 (zero) NCAA wins in 42 years. I certainly hope they are on an “upturn.”

And how do you reach the conclusion Xavier is on a “downturn?” Xavier is coming off an Elite 8, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, 1st Round, and Sweet 16. A 5-star joined X this season; next season three 4 stars and one 3 star will join the roster and the following season, another 4 star is committed.

BmoreX · 12-17-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ExplorerSteve

I STRONGLY disagree. Xavier is on the downturn. I have no problem with Xavier, Butler and SLU leaving but don't put any of our teams down. Yes Fordham and Duquesne have been doormats of the league but Providence and Seton Hall have been doormats in the BE. Villanova, like La Salle has won both NCAA and NIT titles. Villanova is on the downturn like Xavier. La Salle and SBU are on the upturn.

Please explain to me how Xavier is on the downturn and LaSalle is on the upturn.

Medford · 12-17-2012, 01:10 PM

LaSalle didn't lose 20 games; I've heard that is the new standard

BrownIndians85 · 12-17-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops

It is scary there are individuals out there that have logic as flawed as this.

With regard to LaSalle and St Bona… as the old saying goes, there is nowhere to go but up. St Bona has had 1 (single) NCAA appearance in 34 and 0 (zero) NCAA wins in 42 years. I certainly hope they are on an “upturn.”

Umm.. if you're going to point out someone else's flaws it's best to make sure all your ducks are in a row as well. Not that it's a great accomplishment, but SBU has TWO NCAA appearances in the last 34 years.

GoMuskies · 12-17-2012, 01:43 PM

As a Louisville guy, I'm still upset with you guys for not beating Kentucky back in '99 or 2000 or whatever year that was. Dammit.

stevex · 12-17-2012, 01:47 PM

This should be looked as a positive for some of the A10 schools. With X and Temple gone the two programs that have owned the league for the last decade new teams can step forward to take their places and develop their brands.

BrownIndians85 · 12-17-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

As a Louisville guy, I'm still upset with you guys for not beating Kentucky back in '99 or 2000 or whatever year that was. Dammit.

2000. And collectively we are all still extremely upset. Damn Tayshaun Prince.

CarlosTheJackal · 12-17-2012, 02:14 PM

If X moves, can I still play Humiliation, er, Lock of the Day? I love the Lock crowd. Posters respect each other, and it's one of my favorite contests.

DistrictBaller · 12-17-2012, 02:15 PM

Yeah I'd think VCU would be poised to take up the mantle in the A-10 if those teams leave. Heck, we're already one of the better teams in the league with all of those programs in the A-10 as it stands. Richmond would also benefit. It would probably become the premier rivalry in the league and that could benefit both programs.

jpschmack · 12-17-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BrownIndians85

2000. And collectively we are all still extremely upset. Damn Tayshaun Prince.

I'm still livid about the technical foul on Cyrus for hanging on the rim when Prince was underneath him. It's not like those free throws mattered in a game that was tied at the end of regulation.

DukesDan · 12-17-2012, 04:35 PM

Duquesne has not been a door mat since 2005 by the way... the last 6 years have been pretty successful.

12-17-2012, 12:57 PM	#50 (permalink)
xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 864 Rep Power: 260320	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 It is scary there are individuals out there that have logic as flawed as this. With regard to LaSalle and St Bona… as the old saying goes, there is nowhere to go but up. St Bona has had 1 (single) NCAA appearance in 34 and 0 (zero) NCAA wins in 42 years. I certainly hope they are on an “upturn.” And how do you reach the conclusion Xavier is on a “downturn?” Xavier is coming off an Elite 8, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, 1st Round, and Sweet 16. A 5-star joined X this season; next season three 4 stars and one 3 star will join the roster and the following season, another 4 star is committed. __________________ Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

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Medford Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 667 Rep Power: 156221	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 LaSalle didn't lose 20 games; I've heard that is the new standard

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GoMuskies 6th Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 255 Rep Power: 1659	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 As a Louisville guy, I'm still upset with you guys for not beating Kentucky back in '99 or 2000 or whatever year that was. Dammit.

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stevex Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Fort Thomas, KY. Posts: 719 Rep Power: 6643	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 This should be looked as a positive for some of the A10 schools. With X and Temple gone the two programs that have owned the league for the last decade new teams can step forward to take their places and develop their brands. __________________ Zip Em Up!!!!

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CarlosTheJackal Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,152 Rep Power: 4182	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 If X moves, can I still play Humiliation, er, Lock of the Day? I love the Lock crowd. Posters respect each other, and it's one of my favorite contests.

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DistrictBaller Veteran Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 47196	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 Yeah I'd think VCU would be poised to take up the mantle in the A-10 if those teams leave. Heck, we're already one of the better teams in the league with all of those programs in the A-10 as it stands. Richmond would also benefit. It would probably become the premier rivalry in the league and that could benefit both programs. __________________ "We will wreak havoc on our opponent's psyche and plan of attack." - VCU Head Coach Shaka Smart

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DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	Re: X, UD, StL, Butler - Explain the "allure" of the BE7 Duquesne has not been a door mat since 2005 by the way... the last 6 years have been pretty successful. __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

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