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Old 05-02-2012, 09:46 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Thats not exactly helping... BBF has an ignore feature... if you dont want fight with him or read any of his "baiting posts" just ignore him... literally. This whole situation has basically taken your guys board hostage.... thats sad
Agreed - couldn't have said it better. I've long had Muddy on ignore, but many quote and respond to him. There is another, easy solution that you seem to be overlooking, roux2dope - just delete the triumvirate and be done with it. I'd imagine many of the more informed, reasonable posters would slowly come back in time for the 2012-2013 season (including many UD posters that have apparently left).
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:47 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: It's Time For Fordham To Go !

Dayton should probably move to the Horizon league if they ever want to go to the Dance.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:51 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: It's Time For Fordham To Go !

There isn't anything I need to say here. I think the CMs took care of it for me.
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Thats not exactly helping... BBF has an ignore feature... if you dont want fight with him or read any of his "baiting posts" just ignore him... literally. This whole situation has basically taken your guys board hostage.... thats sad
I have him on ignore.

This "situation" exists because you guys don't slap him down every once in a while when you otherwise probably should do that. He makes himself an easy target, so people decide to bash him. It isn't just Xavier fans either. UMass, LaSalle and Bonnie fans, to name a few, are taking shots at him now on a rather frequent basis.

As you know, the ignore feature does not work when people copy his posts into their threads. So when you get this much drivel coming from one guy, especially when he has nothing to offer, people will respond to make him look as stupid and petty as he manages to come off around here.

I posted before about the idea of cause and effect. Don't count on the "effect" relying on the ignore button as much as you do. It's time for you moderators to consider the cause. Otherwise, you will continue to have threads started by a juvenile UD poster that bring no value to this board.
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I have him on ignore.

This "situation" exists because you guys don't slap him down every once in a while when you otherwise probably should do that. He makes himself an easy target, so people decide to bash him. It isn't just Xavier fans either. UMass, LaSalle and Bonnie fans, to name a few, are taking shots at him now on a rather frequent basis.

As you know, the ignore feature does not work when people copy his posts into their threads. So when you get this much drivel coming from one guy, especially when he has nothing to offer, people will respond to make him look as stupid and petty as he manages to come off around here.

I posted before about the idea of cause and effect. Don't count on the "effect" relying on the ignore button as much as you do. It's time for you moderators to consider the cause. Otherwise, you will continue to have threads started by a juvenile UD poster that bring no value to this board.
He has recieved 3 baiting infractions over the last month... The mods on this board are following site rules. We can't just permaban him cause people find him annoying.. if that was the case alot of posters on this site would be gone.
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Re: It's Time For Fordham To Go !

Fordham or Muddy...who will be the first to go? I don't think Fordham is gone any time soon, unless they volunteer to leave.
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Re: It's Time For Fordham To Go !

There are many valid arguments to kick Fordham out of the conference, but I don't think coaching salaries is one of them. In fact, money spent on athletics is not a very good argument either. Our coach makes $750k/yr, we have one of the highest basketball budgets in the conference if my memory is not failing me and our overall athletic budget is near the top also.

Fordham lacks two things, a proper basketball facility and the necessary leadership to solve that problem.
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There are many valid arguments to kick Fordham out of the conference, but I don't think coaching salaries is one of them. In fact, money spent on athletics is not a very good argument either. Our coach makes $750k/yr, we have one of the highest basketball budgets in the conference if my memory is not failing me and our overall athletic budget is near the top also.
Yep, see below (note: I've included Butler). When Fordham joined the A-10 from the non-scholarship Patriot League, our overall athletic budget was less than $3 million, so we've come a long way...and I'm confident Coach Pecora will continue to take the men's basketball program in the right direction.



Athletic Expenses (Reporting Year: 7/1/2010 - 6/30/2011)

Grand Total Expenses
Temple $29,757,012
Massachusetts $24,809,054
Fordham $22,855,380
Rhode Island $21,107,828
Richmond $20,511,418
George Washington $19,996,423
Dayton $19,870,762
Xavier $15,135,882
Duquesne $14,331,403
Charlotte $13,723,303
Saint Joseph’s $13,703,945
Butler $13,684,523
Saint Louis $13,611,515
La Salle $11,664,550
Saint Bonaventure $7,431,261

Athletically Related Student Aid (i.e., athletic scholarships)
Fordham $10,262,085
Temple $9,094,979
Richmond $8,224,016
Rhode Island $7,342,887
George Washington $7,246,150
Massachusetts $6,696,076
Duquesne $5,046,685
La Salle $4,409,164
Xavier $4,385,480
Saint Joseph’s $4,370,394
Saint Louis $4,166,981
Butler $4,109,936
Dayton $3,670,936
Charlotte $2,753,609
Saint Bonaventure $2,598,268

Recruiting Expenses
Massachusetts $636,039
Xavier $600,883
Duquesne $472,902
Richmond $428,418
Temple $390,548
Fordham $374,839
Dayton $340,957
George Washington $333,286
Rhode Island $297,198
La Salle $260,653
Charlotte $234,462
Saint Joseph’s $233,573
Saint Louis $184,934
Saint Bonaventure $184,798
Butler $165,521

Men’s Basketball Expenses
Richmond $4,056,940
Xavier $3,929,624
Dayton $3,810,320
Butler $3,541,122
George Washington $3,480,829
Fordham $3,154,182
Temple $3,089,270
Saint Joseph’s $3,020,790
Saint Louis $2,951,352
Duquesne $2,928,573
Rhode Island $2,816,066
Massachusetts $2,806,835
La Salle $2,364,336
Charlotte $2,275,714
Saint Bonaventure $1,592,420

Football Expenses
Temple $10,099,156
Fordham $5,113,173
Richmond $5,010,248
Massachusetts $4,766,305
Rhode Island $3,785,288
Duquesne $1,875,955
Dayton $983,454
Butler $675,782
Charlotte N/A
George Washington N/A
La Salle N/A
Saint Bonaventure N/A
Saint Joseph’s N/A
Saint Louis N/A
Xavier N/A

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Old 05-02-2012, 11:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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There are many valid arguments to kick Fordham out of the conference, but I don't think coaching salaries is one of them. In fact, money spent on athletics is not a very good argument either. Our coach makes $750k/yr, we have one of the highest basketball budgets in the conference if my memory is not failing me and our overall athletic budget is near the top also.

Fordham lacks two things, a proper basketball facility and the necessary leadership to solve that problem.
Wouldn't the cost of living/construction/overall operation in NYC drastically affect FU's actual basketball budget? While they do spend more in actual dollars than many teams, I'd have to think the expensive nature of that city disallows some of that cash to sprout wings and fly.
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Wouldn't the cost of living/construction/overall operation in NYC drastically affect FU's actual basketball budget? While they do spend more in actual dollars than many teams, I'd have to think the expensive nature of that city disallows some of that cash to sprout wings and fly.
I think cost of living affects the attractiveness of the job for certain coaches. $750k in NYC is less than $750k in Olean, that's for certain.

I don't think construction dollars come out of the basketball budget and very little is being done in construction-wise anyway.

The figure that often affects the overall budget that you are overlooking is the cost of a scholarship. Fordham is one of the most expensive schools in the conference. For instance, $50k vs. $40k per scholarship in hoops is a $130k difference.

Either way, no claim was made taht the cash can sprout wings and fly (whatever that means), but the bottom line is that we are not being stingy with the money although we are not constructing an new arena either.
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We can't just permaban him cause people find him annoying.. if that was the case alot of posters on this site would be gone.
Quite the contrary... Few if any other posters would be worthy of a permaban. Those you allude to are only candidates because of the one poster...

The tone of this board would improve tremendously with one simple permaban.

I am sure I am a permaban candidate, but I would be the protypical contributor if not for the ever-growing annoyance of one person.

When civil, this board is a great spot to talk about our conference, and "spirited jabbing" is a lot of fun, this has denegrated into a UD (and Muddy) hate-fest - with the aforementioned constantly poking the bears..... Do us all a favor.... please!
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If money is in no way the issue, then what is up? I am a big supporter of Fordham's A-10 membership, by the way. I am simply wondering if the general cost of operation in New York skews some of those figures.
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money does not solve the problem of them just sucking on the court.
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Agreed - couldn't have said it better. I've long had Muddy on ignore, but many quote and respond to him. There is another, easy solution that you seem to be overlooking, roux2dope - just delete the triumvirate and be done with it. I'd imagine many of the more informed, reasonable posters would slowly come back in time for the 2012-2013 season (including many UD posters that have apparently left).
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If money is in no way the issue, then what is up? I am a big supporter of Fordham's A-10 membership, by the way. I am simply wondering if the general cost of operation in New York skews some of those figures.
In my opinion it comes down to the two things I mentioned previously when I said, "Fordham lacks two things, a proper basketball facility and the necessary leadership to solve that problem."

I said "solve that problem", but I should have really said solve or overcome that problem. If the gym remains as is, I think our coaches and athletic department has to work twice (or more) as hard to recruit players and fans. It appeared that we were on our way when Dunston was a junior. the team was winning and a new arena was planned, but when that came off the table due to the economy Whittenburg seemed to have lost his marbles, feeling he got the rug pulled out from under him.

I think the numbers are skewed somewhat by our location, but I don't think that if you doubled our budget from where it is now that it would necessarily solve anything. Perhaps maybe we could have thrown more money at a coach, say Larry Brown, but he'd still be recruiting to the same facility that Larry Brown probably played a few games in while he was in high school. I think Pecora has us on the right track so I don't think more money there would have been the right move. I really do think it comes down to the facility and the administration.
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