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Old 05-03-2012, 08:43 AM   #61 (permalink)
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How did this turn into yet another Dayton-Xavier pissing contest? I thought Fordham was the one being bashed here and no Fordham fan here was taking serious exception.
I suggested that using Muddy's reasoning for Fordham to leave the A-10 for a lesser conference re: NCAA tournament bids, Dayton should also leave for the Horizon/MAC in order to actually make the NCAA tournament on a semi-consistent basis.

I never imagined Muddy's response to that would include Xavier and, in fact, bring up Xavier's dominance of Dayton over the past 15-20 years.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:04 AM   #62 (permalink)
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How did this turn into yet another Dayton-Xavier pissing contest?

See Post # 46 above.

Xavier fans attempt to turn every thread on this MB into yet another Dayton-Xavier pissing contest.

It's the only reason they visit here.

There are no fewer than three other Message Board websites for Xavier fans to post about Xavier basketball, which they do.

The Xavier fans come here only to wreck every discussion about anything they can find.

If you don't believe me, have a look at other threads.

Xavier fans collectively have far more posts on the Dayton Recruiting threads than all of the Dayton fans combined, and by a big margin.

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Old 05-03-2012, 09:07 AM   #63 (permalink)
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How did this turn into yet another Dayton-Xavier pissing contest? I thought Fordham was the one being bashed here and no Fordham fan here was taking serious exception.
INDEED! Muddy ruins every thread, even his own, with his "must hate" XU bullshit. Give us a break.
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If you come in ranked, you'll get more than just a blurb. Our game against Harvard this past season got a lot of ink before and after. I guess it depends some on how we are doing at the time also. We were just coming off of a win agasint an ACC team, albeit a weak one in Ga. Tech., so that helped. We beat Harvard and despite a close loss to UMass following that, the game against Xavier got some decent press also and Xavier was not ranked coming in.
That's good to hear. Like I said, I'm on record with wanting to keep Fordham in the league. Honestly, if the Rams made a big-time commitment to their program, built an eight to ten-thousand seat arena, and put a great product on the floor, the sky would be the limit. They're already the best academic school in the league (or certainly at the top)--imagine a serious commitment with that market and recruiting ground.
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Its derailed conversation such as this that explains why I seldom post anymore.
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To be honest, I'm not sure I want a Fordham that makes a top-of-the-league commitment. If they did, it would be a sleeping giant.
The potential is there. According to Fordham.edu, the University has nearly 153,000 alumni. More than half are undergraduate alumni, and over 100,000 of them live in the tri-state area (New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut). I was a freshman in high school the last time Fordham fielded a ranked team and I remember seeing the blaring "Fordham" headlines regularly on the back page of the New York tabloids, a page typically reserved for NYC's pro teams (Yanks, Jints, Knicks, Rangers, etc.). We sold out Madison Square Garden (18,000+) twice that year in games vs. Marquette and Notre Dame. BTW, the last time we made the back page of a New York tabloid was when Fordham beat a ranked St. John's team in the 2000-2001 season.
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See Post # 46 above.

Xavier fans attempt to turn every thread on this MB into yet another Dayton-Xavier pissing contest.

It's the only reason they visit here.

There are no fewer than three other Message Board websites for Xavier fans to post about Xavier basketball, which they do.
Muddy, I just looked through this thread. You were the first person to use the term "Xavier" on this entire thread in a manner that does not relate to Fordham The only other 2 mentions were in discussion of athletic spending of all league schools, and Xavier's decision to move games off-campus to the Gardens and discussing whether that model would work at Fordham. For some reason, you (Muddy) brought up how Xavier beat Dayton 2 out of 3 times this year and detailed all the players Xavier is losing next year.

Please, BACK ON TOPIC of Muddy wanting to remove Fordham from the A-10.
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The potential is there. According to Fordham.edu, the University has nearly 153,000 alumni. More than half are undergraduate alumni, and over 100,000 of them live in the tri-state area (New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut). I was a freshman in high school the last time Fordham fielded a ranked team and I remember seeing the blaring "Fordham" headlines regularly on the back page of the New York tabloids, a page typically reserved for NYC's pro teams (Yanks, Jints, Knicks, Rangers, etc.). We sold out Madison Square Garden (18,000+) twice that year in games vs. Marquette and Notre Dame. BTW, the last time we made the back page of a New York tabloid was when Fordham beat a ranked St. John's team in the 2000-2001 season.
Exactly. St. John's struggles the last, oh, decade or so really make this the time to strike. It is disappointing that they haven't done so yet.
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Muddy, I just looked through this thread. You were the first person to use the term "Xavier" on this entire thread in a manner that does not relate to Fordham The only other 2 mentions were in discussion of athletic spending of all league schools, and Xavier's decision to move games off-campus to the Gardens and discussing whether that model would work at Fordham. For some reason, you (Muddy) brought up how Xavier beat Dayton 2 out of 3 times this year and detailed all the players Xavier is losing next year.

Please, BACK ON TOPIC of Muddy wanting to remove Fordham from the A-10.
There were two mentions that got the pissing going and they both came before Muddy brought up the Xavier/Dayton games. Mudflap even said so himself that it was his post (#11) as to what got things going. I think the post by the Bona poster (whose name escapes me right now) might have got things going too, though I do think it brought up a good point.

What I think honestly got things going though was the CM's public calling out of Muddy b/c it got the other posters going on why Muddy should be sent packing. As a moderator myself (of the Fordham board), I go with the public calling out quite often also, but sometimes it does backfire and I think this is one of those cases.

This was actually a good thread by Muddy and I think it should have been let go, but given his history I can understand why he was called out. As I said, it does bring up good off-season discussion though and since I have seen worse suggsted by our own fans on our board, it does not bother me in the least and based on the posts by other Fordham fans it does not seem to bother them either. I mean, how can we argue with the sentiment?

I do go back to the opinion that our leadership is the problem and not dollars. I think an ~7500 seat arena would do wonders b/c our tiny little gym hurts recruiting, but many on the FU board point out that we'd be putting that arena under control of the same admin that has been in charge of our athletics for nearly 30 years. I think it is also hard to justify spending $100-$150 million on a ~7500 seat arena in this economy. I still think the arena would allow us to succeed despite our admin.

To me, if Tom Pecora cannot turn things around then I do think that a move out of the A10 might be the way to go unless we make a commitment of some other sort, most notably an arena. I think the keys to a successful program are a good coach, proper support from the administration and proper facilities. I think you can do ok if you have the first and one of the two others, but when you only have the coach it is going to be a really tough row to hoe. Some of our fans argue that we don't even have the right coach right now, but I guess that's an argument for a different day.
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There were two mentions that got the pissing going and they both came before Muddy brought up the Xavier/Dayton games. Mudflap even said so himself that it was his post (#11) as to what got things going. I think the post by the Bona poster (whose name escapes me right now) might have got things going too, though I do think it brought up a good point.
Disagree.

Post #11 brings up Dayton and their lack of success in the A-10.

People were questioning as to why this turned into UD/X fight. Clearly, that is again on Muddy. Again, no one even mentioned the term "Xavier" or brought up anything Xavier/UD related until Muddy decided to post about Xavier's winning record over Dayton this year.
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Its derailed conversation such as this that explains why I seldom post anymore.
Then I guess every cloud does have a silver lining.
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There were two mentions that got the pissing going and they both came before Muddy brought up the Xavier/Dayton games.

Mudflap even said so himself that it was his post (#11) as to what got things going.
Thanks ace93 - I hadn't seen Post # 11 until I read your post.


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Dayton should probably move to the Horizon league if they ever want to go to the Dance.

That has absolultely nothing to do with the thread topic It's Time For Fordham To Go !


It is just more off-topic, inflammatory crap by another one of my stalkers, intending to take the thread off-topic.

In that, he succeeded.

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That has absolultely nothing to do with the thread topic It's Time For Fordham To Go !


It is just more off-topic, inflammatory crap
Muddy, so why did YOU bring up Xavier's dominance over Dayton? Not a single other person even brought up the term "Xavier", except.....YOU!
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There were two mentions that got the pissing going and they both came before Muddy brought up the Xavier/Dayton games. Mudflap even said so himself that it was his post (#11) as to what got things going. I think the post by the Bona poster (whose name escapes me right now) might have got things going too, though I do think it brought up a good point.

What I think honestly got things going though was the CM's public calling out of Muddy b/c it got the other posters going on why Muddy should be sent packing. As a moderator myself (of the Fordham board), I go with the public calling out quite often also, but sometimes it does backfire and I think this is one of those cases.

This was actually a good thread by Muddy and I think it should have been let go, but given his history I can understand why he was called out. As I said, it does bring up good off-season discussion though and since I have seen worse suggsted by our own fans on our board, it does not bother me in the least and based on the posts by other Fordham fans it does not seem to bother them either. I mean, how can we argue with the sentiment?

I do go back to the opinion that our leadership is the problem and not dollars. I think an ~7500 seat arena would do wonders b/c our tiny little gym hurts recruiting, but many on the FU board point out that we'd be putting that arena under control of the same admin that has been in charge of our athletics for nearly 30 years. I think it is also hard to justify spending $100-$150 million on a ~7500 seat arena in this economy. I still think the arena would allow us to succeed despite our admin.

To me, if Tom Pecora cannot turn things around then I do think that a move out of the A10 might be the way to go unless we make a commitment of some other sort, most notably an arena. I think the keys to a successful program are a good coach, proper support from the administration and proper facilities. I think you can do ok if you have the first and one of the two others, but when you only have the coach it is going to be a really tough row to hoe. Some of our fans argue that we don't even have the right coach right now, but I guess that's an argument for a different day.
This is why I like Fordham fans. Realistic, still optimistic and solutions oriented.
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Disagree.

Post #11 brings up Dayton and their lack of success in the A-10.

People were questioning as to why this turned into UD/X fight. Clearly, that is again on Muddy. Again, no one even mentioned the term "Xavier" or brought up anything Xavier/UD related until Muddy decided to post about Xavier's winning record over Dayton this year.
Right, but I had thought that the bringing up of Dayton by a Xavier fan was what got Muddy going on Xavier. Now that he says he had not seen that, then I have no idea why he brought up Xavier other than to derail his own thread.
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