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Old 05-03-2012, 01:41 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Right, but I had thought that the bringing up of Dayton by a Xavier fan was what got Muddy going on Xavier. Now that he says he had not seen that, then I have no idea why he brought up Xavier other than to derail his own thread.
Muddled likes to act like he has people on ignore but the reality is that he uses that as a crutch.
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Right, but I had thought that the bringing up of Dayton by a Xavier fan was what got Muddy going on Xavier. Now that he says he had not seen that, then I have no idea why he brought up Xavier other than to derail his own thread.
I see where you are coming from. LOL to Muddy admitting he didn't even see post #11 but still brought up Xavier's dominance over UD in another bandwidth-sucking post.

His comments about Xavier's dominance, I think, were really in response to my post re: UD leaving the A-10 so it can make the NCAA (3 at-larges in 27 years) following Muddy's suggestion of Fordham leaving the A-10 so it can make the NCAA. Somehow, he responded to that by stating Xavier had a 2-1 record against Dayton this year??? Boggles the mind quite frankly.
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Its derailed conversation such as this that explains why I seldom post anymore.
Exhibit A & I rest my case.

Mods, the pre-muddy days were heated yet much more civil. Chetman is only one of MANY that have left. He's also the guy i was thinknig of in my earlier post referencing Dayton fans I thought disappeared because of antics like Muddy.

The solution is simple. This isn't a free-speech question - it's a private forum. Get rid of that which detracts from your business model.
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^Agreed re: Muddy.

To clarify my point and add to the confusion of why Muddy even brought up Xavier. I used Muddy's reasoning for Fordham leaving the A-10 and suggested Dayton join the Horizon or MAC for the auto bid b/c they clearly aren't good enough to get at-large bids playing in the A-10. I thought Muddy would respond saying the obvious reasons why UD should stay in the A-10 and how their situation may be different from Fordham's.

Instead of responding in a manner such as that, at least somewhat related to the topic, he pulls a fast one and decides to respond with statistics about Xavier's 2-1 record against Dayton this year and warning X fans to watch out because we graduated 4 players. Doesn't make sense....
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Get this thread back on topic or it will be closed
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Re: It's Time For Fordham To Go !

I am absolutley stunned at this jibberish - even for a Muddy post.

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If Dayton had made one more basket on March 9, 2012, it would have sent Xavier to the NIT. But they didn't.

If Dayton had made one more basket on March 9, 2012 and made one more basket in regulation on February 18, 2012, Dayton would have swept Xavier 3-0 this season. But they didn't.

It was that close. But you still lost 2 of 3.

BTW, Dayton's best rebounder and third-highest scorer Josh Benson suffered a season-ending injury knee injury on December 31, 2011, meaning that Benson missed all 16 Atlantic 10 regular-season games AND the Atlantic 10 Tournament in March 2012. Oh, we better put an asterick next to Temple's regular season Title and the Bonnie's Tourney Title because they didn't really win. and let's see, the dog at your homeowrk, you had a flat tire, you ran out of gas, you ate a bad batch of Philly Cheesesteak sandwiches, the sun was in your eyes....,

Had that season-ending injury to Benson NOT occured, it is quite possible, if not probable, that Dayton would have swept Xavier 3-0 this season. But they didn't.

Xavier just lost Tu Holloway, Mark Lyons, Kenny Frease, and Andre Walker, and is relying on a freshman point guard to lead the Musketeers back to the NCAA Tournament. How do you know they won't? Did we not just watch 4 starting freshmen own college basketball this past year?



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Get this thread back on topic or it will be closed
okay - Muddy deserves to be history on this board, long before Fordham deserves to be thrown out of the A10. In fact, if i were arguing for expulsion from the league, there are other teams i'd want out before Fordham. Not sure I care to get into this as it serves no useful purpose and it's not up to us anyway. Each school can leave if they want - none are being forced to stay. Similarly, I dont think any school or group of schools has the power to throw another out.
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This is why I like Fordham fans. Realistic, still optimistic and solutions oriented.
Thanks. The optimism is starting to fade though, not necessarily by me, but by others. It is very evident on the Fordham board. This coming season is critical for Pecora and in turn for Fordham. I think a lot of fans, not that we have that many to begin with, will jump ship is the team does not show some serious improvement this coming season.

Whittenburg was faced with a similar task as Pecora's and he made quicker progress. I don't think the A10 was as strong then, though I could be wrong. Whittenburg also brought in a very good class for his 2nd season at Fordham, something Pecora has not been able to do yet.
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You guys can just keep on bashing Muddy all you want, but Muddy is really the one winning here. Muddy keeps on luring you in, and all of you Xavier fans keep falling for it over and over. Muddy savors this. If you want Muddy to go away, just ignore all of his posts and don't give a reaction to them. But no, you guys can't do this, you need to post a million responses complaining about the fact that he posts his drivel. What you don't realize Xavier fans (specifically Mudflap), is that your posts are just as much drivel as Muddy's, and that, in order for you to post anything at all, you need Muddy to post in the first place. This thread is yet another example of the fact that Muddy is who runs this board.

BACK ON TOPIC. Muddy makes some great points in this post. If Fordham doesn't take the necessary actions to improve their program, then they should be kicked out completely. This is NOT a mid-major conference, and should be held to higher standards than that. Fordham needs to go.

I have mentioned several times before that in order for our league to reach its full potential and capabilities, we need to cut the dead weight. We need to banish the 3 teams holding us back. Thankfully, one of those 3 (Charlotte) banished themselves a few days ago. Now we need to banish the other two, Fordham and Duquesne. If they aren't willing to do it themselves, then it is imperative that the league takes action on its own.
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I have mentioned several times before that in order for our league to reach its full potential and capabilities, we need to cut the dead weight. We need to banish the 3 teams holding us back. Thankfully, one of those 3 (Charlotte) banished themselves a few days ago. Now we need to banish the other two, Fordham and Duquesne. If they aren't willing to do it themselves, then it is imperative that the league takes action on its own.
Come on. Not this again. These crusades to throw Team A, B, and C out of the league make it so clear that it's the heart of the offseason. The Dukes have righted their ship. There is no reason to include them in this discussion. Fordham has struggled. There is no denying that. However, what is our alternative? The A-10 needs a presence in New York City and there don't seem to be any alternatives. Hofstra wouldn't provide that market at all. It's more constructive to find ways to get everyone moving in a single, positive direction than annually bringing out the torches and pitchforks looking to string up Fordham.
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Let me see, is this the annual, semi-annual, quarterly belly aching about conference makeup. Oh please, no one is going anywhere, unless they want to.
No one is getting voted out, except on this board. You complainers sound like a bunch of whiners.
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The Dukes have righted their ship.
This statement is simply invalid. Duquesne has gone through some rough years of mediocrity. They finally came to their senses and fired their mediocre head coach Ron Everhart. Unfortunately, they followed this up with the uninspiring hire of an even more lackluster coach than before. Instead of hiring a good young coach on the way up, they hire an old failure of a coach who has never produced any results. Instead of looking for upside, they have settled for mediocrity yet again.

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Fordham has struggled. There is no denying that. However, what is our alternative? The A-10 needs a presence in New York City and there don't seem to be any alternatives. Hofstra wouldn't provide that market at all. It's more constructive to find ways to get everyone moving in a single, positive direction than annually bringing out the torches and pitchforks looking to string up Fordham.
I agree, it is more constructive to get everyone moving together in a "single, positive direction." We have tried this before, but sadly we cannot get everyone moving in a single, positive direction because of a few teams that won't put in the minimum effort necessary to hop aboard on this vision for the A-10. If you refuse to join along for the ride, then the league should refuse to have you. Plain and simple.
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Duquesne has made HUGE strides. Some of the past Duquesne teams make Fordham look like a power house. Plus, Duquesne taps a metro market, and balances the geography a little. They have also addressed facility issues for the time being, and often draw crowds on the respectable level. There is a market for that team. No reason they can't consistently avg. 6000 a season in attendance with continued steady progress.
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Trying to have a conversation with z8-Minutemen is unconscionable, he's arguably more delusional than Muddy. He would make more sense if he punched his keyboard aimlessly -- then again, that's a real possibility considering the quality of his posts.

Fordham is a great school and I have faith they'll turn around the basketball program given a renewed commitment to athletics and adequate resources.
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Trying to have a conversation with z8-Minutemen is unconscionable, he's arguably more delusional than Muddy. He would make more sense if he punched his keyboard aimlessly -- then again, that's a real possibility considering the quality of his posts.

Fordham is a great school and I have faith they'll turn around the basketball program given a renewed commitment to athletics and adequate resources.
This is a personal attack and is not allowed on this forum. To top it off, you have no basis to your argument that I am unconscionable. Please support that with facts. Take your baggage somewhere else, we don't need this garbage here.

Also, you can keep having faith in Fordham to get better, but I've been faithful long enough. Eventually you have let go of hope when there are no indications of that hope becoming reality. It's time for Fordham to go...
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